Friday, January 05, 2007

The cult group of India SRCM (Sahaj Marg {tm})







Sahaj Marg Prayer

O Master! Thou art the real goal of human life;
We are yet but slaves of wishes
Putting bar to our advancement.
Thou art the only God and power
To bring us up to that stage.


This prayer is in absolute contradiction to Vedanta, and Hindu philosophy, this cult just uses names of famous people, ONLY to fool and mislead people, for its selfish motive of draining people of their money, and running the business. Prayer if any to be used as per Hindu philosophy, is that of freedom:-

"I have neither death nor fear, I have neither caste nor creed, I have neither father nor mother nor brother, neither friend nor foe, for I am Existence, Knowledge, and Bliss Absolute; I am the Blissful One, I am the Blissful One. I am not bound either by virtue or vice, by happiness or misery. Pilgrimages and books and ceremonials can never bind me. I have neither hunger nor thirst; the body is not mine, nor am I subject to the superstitions and decay that come to the body, I am Existence, Knowledge, and Bliss Absolute; I am the Blissful One, I am the Blissful One."

Ref:- Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Vol-2 Chapter- Jana Yoga, Freedom Of The Soul.

Swami Vivekananda on the other hand, had emphasizes on the need of repeating that we are "absolutely free" and any thought of slavery must be removed immediately, as we must DE-HYPNOTIZE ourselves from this delusion that we are but slaves to our wishes. below i quote Swami Vivekananda

Go on saying, "I am free" Never mind if the next moment delusion comes and says, "I am bound" Dehypnotize the whole thing.
Swami Vivekananda on the other hand, had emphasizes on the need of repeating that we are "absolutely free" and any thought of slavery must be removed immediately, as we must DE-HYPNOTIZE ourselves from this delusion that we are but slaves to our wishes. below i quote Swami Vivekananda



Go on saying, "I am free" Never mind if the next moment delusion comes and says, "I am bound" Dehypnotize the whole thing.







236 comments:

  1. I read your profile sashwat and am wandering why this cult specifically bothers you so much?

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  2. Hi A,
    I am not the only person who is bothered, there are many like me. I am also facing the same problem which all in SRCM had faced are facing and will face, there is nothing new in my problem, it is just that i have spoken.

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  3. Hi Shashwat...

    Found your site and will comment here...

    Good for you. If a tree or a Rock falls accross the road, the good citizen does not just find a way around and not warn and assist other who come behind him...The good citizen, being moral, ethical and spiritual saves himself first and then warns others of the danger and points in a direction that is more safe. That is a "spiritual" person.

    That is what I see you doing...

    Good for you!! Your ONE (what some call God) is Smiling on you and will smile on you...(I mean that as a "metaphor" for LIFE...meaning LIFE will "SMILE" on you....

    Keep up the Good work of warning and pointing the way to a "solution"

    4d-don

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  4. I will pray that you get the truth. You will come back.

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  5. I will pray for you Michael. You will come back. Maybe you won't publish this, doesn't matter. It will still work :)

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  6. Hi no-one(u r someone ofcourse),

    I also pray for you so that u can realize true face of SRCM soon. just see what SRCM has made u, from being someone u have now become no-one whereas truth is you in your ownself are everyone, you are what is called God, your soul is what is known as Bramh, you cannot become one with lord by becomeing no-one, you have to first become your own self and then understand that it is you only who in another degree is present in me and in all other's. I hope you will realize your true nature soon, coz ultimatly all of us will realize it, it is just a matter of time, those who are close to themselves will do it soon and those who are dependend on other's will find it late, but ultimatly all of us will know our true nature.

    Regards
    Shashwat

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  7. To noone, Shashwat and Micheal are not coming back, you must try to understand thier accounts and feelings reguard SRCM. It should leave you with no doubt The MISSION of these sites is not recruitment into SRCM is it? There are many other gurus in India and religious organizations following the same pattern of recruitment as SRCM , these tactics are not exclusive. Ex member may leave and return but seldom stay? SCRM appears cloak and dagger by nature. Why are new members made unaware of the real size and scale, the obedience and rules, seminars and such like? Does a sitting take place first and foremost?? Were you fully informed on your first group meeting what would be expected from you?? If you did would you have had second thoughts? Do you see yourself as having had a past life before SCRM? Lastly does the meditation mean more than anything in your life right now? I hope you can answer these questions thus open a dicussion on these matters , which I think is necessary for all.

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  8. Ah! Ah! Ah!

    That's the best I've ever heard! Pray for them to come back!

    I was joking with those few friend abhyasis who left the mission with me that we would return to the SRCMtm! And this was so funny because everybody was horrified!!

    Actually, the previous time I did this kind of joke with them, few month ago, I said that we would soon join the dissidents! And it happened!

    So, don't also forget to pray for Christian, Inès, Peter and Terrine to come back!

    And I assure you, if your prayer is granted, you will surely regret it because none of us will ever keep quite again.

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  9. HI all...

    Good one Christian...

    I will add this one for all who claim that Sahaj Marg does not "indoctrinate". My ex-wife, after I started researching this group after our marriage of 35 years was "on the rocks" and I told her about my findings, she said:

    "If I knew what I know now, I would not join this group."

    Now that means to me that she can't leave as she goes about in her "zombie" bliss of the "followers of an Idol". There was another poster on Michael's blog who claimed to be "intoxicated" by the meditation. Is Mao Tse Tung correct and this cultish religion is the "opiates" of the naive Masses??

    If you are to pray for me or those I know, just send your "prayer" to the ONE without putting your "intention" on my life so I may just have more "spirit" or "rarified energy" and still have the "choice" to do what I want to. Prayer the way "anonymous" says it is more like "casting" a spell to make me "love" your Guru...what's next, finding me a wife through "another spell"...

    My ONE!!! Sahaj Marg has become "spiritualism" with seance, communication with the dead spirits and now "Spells" through prayers with "intention"...

    Take control of your mind and don't use it to control other people's life but to control your own...Leave others free without the manipulative tactic of "spiritual cloning" a la SRCMtm.

    Nature does not insist that the deer become a lion or that a cedar tree become a "Maple" tree. That is the Natural PATH...Sahaj Marg is as "perverse" as most religions and will die the way of religions...in the emotional upheaval of those who were "tricked" into it and will leave by either yelling loud, or worse....The next generation of kids who are now being manipulated at 5 yrs old at the Lalaji Memorial OMEGA (why Omega?) School (LMOS) will not be "logical" when they leave the CULT!! They will not be able to be "logical" as that will have been "cleaned" out of them!!

    Safely tucked inside the ONE (some call it God) where we live!!

    4d-don

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  10. Yes Don,

    These people are only interested into power.

    Even prayer becomes a tool of power into their hands.

    They are completely sick.

    But how could they be different, when they only get this quality from the top of the pyramid?

    However, you have probably seen on Elodie's blog that I am posting parts of Babuji's diary, extracted from the 80% of the manuscript that were not published by the SRCMtm.

    In this text, we see that by the time of Lalaji, these spelling things and spiritism were already there, and the movement was also not that clean.

    A real saint is a very rare thing, and even though, it is still a human being, in which consciousness humanity is imprinting its forces.

    The risk to go back to a natural human being for a moment is always there.

    To consider them as brothers helping others to cross the path is the only true attitude to have, which is far from this cult of personality Chari has developped for him.

    Because everybody is trapped in a power structure, they are not implementing the paradigm of integration anymore, which is what spirituality should be. They are implementing the paradigm of submission, which is nothing but pure power, the fruit of sick minds based on fear, not on love.

    This is the same paradigm of submission that we find in religions or in human societies.

    And this was not what the hippies were after in the 70s, so I am always laughing after them when I see how they have become: like the others.

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  11. I read Chairi is encouraging more amd more obedience and even more arranged marriages, 22 between the 17th January and 4th february, he is a busy man indeed!

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  12. I feel pity for those people who in name of obdience are distroying their life. When something happens in your life like marrige, and something goes wrong, if it was not your decision you have some-1 to blame, these people (SRCM) are making innocent people(abhysis) weak and stupid, they will never be able to take decision about themselves leave apart accepting the result, ultimatly it is them who is going to sufer or enjoy, and no-one else, how and why should anyone else decide who your life partner will be? till now, parents use to decide, now master has taken place of parents and SRCM has become a new family... about original (natural) family and parents, I guess there has to be a balance.... correct..? this is how they fool people, in name of balance they are distroying life. and those who are not suspecting are surrendering. I pray for them to get back to their senses before they start facing the heat of their action. May lord bless them the power to think.

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  13. "I feel pity for those people"

    Rather feel pity for Chari.

    "these people (SRCM) are making innocent people(abhysis) weak and stupid"

    There is no such thing as innocent people. Each one is responsible for himself, and if they fall in the trap, it is upon them only to find the way out.

    "they will never be able to take decision about themselves leave apart accepting the result"

    That's what they want. They are willing to be in this regressive state where, as children, they submit all their problems to someone and have nothing more to take care about.

    "ultimatly it is them who is going to sufer or enjoy, and no-one else"

    This is not them, if they do correctly their practice, it is master.

    "how and why should anyone else decide who your life partner will be?"

    This is really bad. Humanity, or biology, decides and makes the connections.

    "till now, parents use to decide, now master has taken place of parents and SRCM has become a new family"

    Yes, that's what I meant by refering to this regressive state.

    "about original (natural) family and parents, I guess there has to be a balance"

    A balance in what? Your parents are your parents.

    "this is how they fool people, in name of balance they are distroying life."

    They are submitting life to a tyran, they are willing to control it.

    "and those who are not suspecting are surrendering."

    How not to do so? There is, for those who feel that, the spiritual power which gives an absolute credit. No one would expect that the system is trapping them and that it is fundamentally dishonnest.

    "I pray for them to get back to their senses before they start facing the heat of their action."

    Don't do that. You are not to interfere that way - just reveal things on the web. There is a lesson for each one to learn in facing the consequences of our decisions, so let it go and be faithful, Nature will take care of everyone.

    "May lord bless them the power to think."

    Bof...

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  14. Case Study
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    Practice is needed for spiritual progress this is what is the said agenda of SRCM, practice is that you need to sit with a preceptor at least once in two week's and do abhyas with your preceptor, in this method (sitting) you are expected to sit face to face with each other and start meditating together feel the transmission coming to your heart from Chari's heart via your preceptor's heart. And this is progress. So far so good.


    What are the effects, take a case study of a young married women sitting with another married preceptor, with no-one in the room and just two of them. Both sitting face to face and enjoying each others presence, their male and female energies are getting united and both are becoming one this process is no different then mental sex. Both are having sex with each other of course not physically but mentally, and this is why I call this process as mental sex. They may or may not realize it but this is truth, both are bound to get sexually excited and after sitting is over will feel a sense of satisfaction similar to what we all feel after union with our spouse, this is no progress but simple dirty business, probably this is the reason why s many women's are present in this group, as in name of spirituality they are intoxicating people, and once one is intoxicated they start feeling joy in this method, similar to sex. Then it becomes really very heard to avoid this as people are then drown towards this as they feel joy in performing this, while doing so they may or may not realize that they are betraying their family and spouse, and same will ultimately come back to them, and when it does they are unable to understand what wrong is happening in their life. We all must understand that no misery is undeserved, we simply cannot suffer if we have not caused any pain to anyone else, knowing or unknowing. All fault is within us, there is no blame outside, those who shift blame on others are simply trying to hide from facts like a duck hiding his face in mud and thinking cat is not present.

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  15. Are you suggesting the perceptor, male or female are enguaging in a sexually stimulating manner while a sitting is taking place? I find this quite disgusting, a spiritual brothel really. I wandered why the meditation was so intoxicating my so called partner couldn't stay away. It suddenly all makes sense. How selfish can a human being be? Mentally and physically satified by two women, SPEAK ABOUT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT. Well he's going to choke on his.

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  16. Nature is powerful beyond our imagination, if we are in a situation of not our liking, without doubt, we ourselves have paved the way for that. There is no blame outside. We simply cannot get what we don't deserve, ultimatly we all will comeback to our sense's if we are able to use logic, we must understand, lord is beyond logic BUT not against it. All acts must pass the logical test, and if there is any trace of doubt, it must be renounced immediatly. as it will inevitably cause harm, not only to ourself but also to our surroundings. Be-aware of what is happening and help people understand what you have understood. There is no master outside if u r married, spouse is your only master, same lord is present in all of us. same force is driving all of us. just that we need to understand this unity. those who preach and develop different societies are causing harm to humanity, we are all basiclly one. same energy, same sun, same soil, same blood same bone, same heart and same soul. We are one. We don't need any ,master, any community any Sahaj marg or any trademark.

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  17. Thankyou, scrm members can be so frustrating, a moment of clarity leads to nowhere. I think a good proportion know they are drowning in boiling water, they just don't know when or how to jump.I've been involved indirectly through my partner and hoped to help. Under the cicumstances this won't be possible, my life is worth more than that.You all have helped me come to this decision; it was killing me inside anyway.

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  18. Hi Anonymous,

    I was also under similar situation, as your's. but insted of running away i decided to expose the cult itself, marrige is not union of body or mind, it is much higher then that, and that cannot be broken simply coz of any cult, these people are victim and should be treated with sympathy, and not with ignorence, they are unaware that buying books or attainding celeibrations etc are costing them the authentic love of spouse, thay are intoxicated, hence insted of blaming the drunk, eradicate the drink itself so that no-one else suffers like you me or others have. Anyone can retaliate back, a blow for blow, but it takes a really powerful person who does not retaliate backs not because s/he can't but coz s/he won't. have patience, all bad time will pass and so will the good time, nothing is permanant in this world. just watch that happen and don't react, keep expressing your POV from time to time, but have infinite patience. Never react to the image, remove the sourse itself. help us exposing SRCM here, SRCM is not coz of Chari but coz of its members who are fooled by chari, hence expose the truth rest will be taken care of by nature itself.


    Regards
    Shashwat

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  19. Dangers of sitting
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    In order to spread SRCM a web of preceptors are formed, they are present in most of the cities, we need to be aware of these people are they are totally intoxicated and are not in their normal state of mind.

    When a person sits with another person and opens him/her self up to that person, there will be an affection and bonding between these two person's. danger here is the preceptors are not masters in themselves and are involved in all sort of good/bad things as we are. here you are getting transmitted to the energies of that person who is not your spouse and it will become almost impossible for you to open yourself to any other person who is not involved in SRCM, you will not feel the same belongingness or the same confert level even if second person is your spouse.

    Hence it is must for everyone not to open yourself to any such person who is not capable as it will ruin your life.

    For those who have already being transmitted this disease and are looking for ways to get out of it, remember its all in the mind, now you will have to be more strong and negate all feeling of softness towards these cult. Once you have achieved the balance, u can move ahead and start meditating with your spouse, on your spouse. this will help you both to become one and negate the influence of SRCM in your personal life, Always remember, you can reach yourself ONLY when you start from your spouse, if you start from any other person you will fail miserably. this is true for married people, for unmarried people, they can keep on wondering till they find the correct path.

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  20. I have managed to do half of the don't already even with the knowledge. Sometimes patience runs out and anger sets in. I'm not feeling bad as it came from the heart. Listening to an indoctrinated friend is difficult all the answers lie with chari and the mission it,s like a complete smoke screen of taught language comes into play and it,s very adequate in executing critisism of any kind. Logical thinking is non existent, that to me is the teaching of sahaj marg. As my friend would put it, you are just thinking logically not spititually. Ye right, find your way to india without a plane then?

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  21. We all must have infinite patience, and at the same time we must also understand that sprituality does not mean that we should become fools, realizing the self means going beyond logic no doubt but it definatly does not means going against logic. only fools go against logic and they will remain a fool till they do not understand that God can only be realized after you go beyond, i.e pass through logic, going against logic simply means you are going towards devils like chari and all other's. those who ask you to become stupid so that you can be manipulated. intelligence and logic are the tools gifted to us by God and it must be utilized when we seak lord.

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  22. I believe I have more patience than most, as I wrote there are times when it all becomes too much and the whole logic or reason is lost. Believe it or not logic is the strongest tool in the box when debating srcm. I do not wish a debate with yourself on god and spirituality, my belief on that subject will again lead away from the dicussion in hand which seems to be happening on other sites. I think this site will eventually be a success if you don.t hammer home your own beliefs too much such as Micheal has not done. Remember this is a site where members, ex members and relatives visit and comment, keep it as free from yourself as possible or you may begin to sound like a cult leader yourself. I enjoy your site and understand your compassion towards these destructive new age religions. I do wander however whether you fully grasp religion as a whole or maybe you yourself are still asking questions which need answers. I don,t know.You have done something, I hope you stay with it. I told my freind in scrm the subjects on your web site and for the first time he actually looked at them. Keep it up don.t get personal.

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  23. I will keep in mind ur suggestions, tnx. BTW myself in no way have any intention to sound like a cult leader, i will correct incase that message is going out in any way, also i must mention here once again that a thousand fake cannot deny one truth, my intention is not to defame the concept of religion per-se, but to expose the motive behind these cults, there are large number of groups like SRCM, there is no end to these zombies, one goes another will come up, hence my fight is not only against SRCM but also against all these mind controlling groups. as it is my firm belief that a true religion is that which stands firm on ligic and there must not be even a single point where that can be pointed as going against logic. if it does it is no religion at all, just maney making organization, fooling those who are willing to be fooled, and eventualy identify themselves with these cults and become a zombie, all those who came and argue with me are perfect example of what these cults can conver normal humans into. on one hand they say do not identify urself with family, and inturn they encouradge indentification with the cult, we all must expose this hypocrasy, this will help lots of people from across the globe.

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  24. I hope the members of srcm whose families and friends stick close and try to guide them out of thier situation will eventually lead them to these sites, harsh though the truth may be reality is stark. It,s just as painful telling someone you care for they are being lied to as it is finding out the truth. I don,t think you take on the makeup of a cult leader. As with the rest of us affected by cults angry words surface. The guidelines become difficult to address when faced with abysis who constantly go back for more at the moment progress is being made. It is the same senario in prisoners of war and domestic abuse. The mind has been messed with so much for so long it becomes a mental fog.
    That is exactly what these sick bullies desire, power over your mind the rest is easy. I am advising words like zombie ect are inappropriate, to me abysis are still the victims; yes they too will take on the form as any abused person will. The root cause is Chari and his close allies who are controlling and maniplulating everyone within reach. I try to stress the importance of these sites as they are the main source of constructive critisism towards this cult. I don,t think it is in anyones interest to frighten off a member who may be on the verge of leaving and there surley must be a few. I never knew these undercover cults existed until last year. I aknowledge the dangers they bring to all of us now.

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  25. zombie, is a person who is immune to everything, except one object, like we have a zombie process, in unix, which keeps on running even if the parent process is killed, also this process comes up agains once killed, this word indicates virus, which keep on monitering and strike when network is on low guard, they simply refuse to even try to understand what is being said (same as even if u kill the process it will come up again), this is what SRCM converts normal humans into, zombies, hence i feel zombie is a perfect word to discribe these people, no doubt they are also victims, but u cannot discribe them as victims, only those people can be fooled who want to be fooled, we all have same thinking power, those who refuse to use it are simply zombies, it is not a abuse, but explanation of their current state of mind, hence i feel, this explanation must not cause problem to anyone.

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  26. I would have used robot actually, never mind we all feel the same way, control is control no matter what name you give it. This group are hell bent on achieving it at any cost.

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  27. I need information on all this. i want to help a family member. how do you draw someone out of this group? or do you?

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  28. Hi A,
    First thing that is needed is infinite patience, do not get in arguments about SRCM with the victim, you can start with asking questions like what is the need to create un-necessary balance, out of an otherwise stable life ? why disturb life offered by lord? ask personal questions like what is the need to depend emotionally on preceptor, when there are so many loving souls around you.

    these things in all probability will not work, as SRCM zombie's are immune to love, after you have done this then you will have to become strong, make it clear that if the infected person is not willing to reciprocate love, you will be un-attached, and then do it, become un-attached (in some way ignorant also) from all the activities the victim is doing, and make sure you are able to express the message that association with SRCM is causing problem in life, only suffering can help people understand the facts, but always remember that you are doing all this, just to help the victim, once victim is detoxified, you can explain everything.

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  29. To all...

    Discussing this on and on will lead to anything. In fact I am sure it will lead to more and more confusion.

    No doubt SRCM is not the only way... In fact Raja Yoga is not the only way too...

    Do what you feel will lead you to your Goal... I believe if you have the urge inside to realizing the truth, you will through whatever path you choose...

    Lets be more productive with our time (our precious life). Lets focus on practising whatever we feel is right... be it Christianity, Buddhism, Raja Yoga...

    The answer I believe can never come from outside (including discussions) it has to come from WITHIN.

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  30. Saurav,

    I have mentioned many time before also, since all path lead to truth why don't you try hands with Islam ? kill some non-muslims, rape some womens captured in war... and become a sucide bomber.. you are on your way to heaven with 72 virgin's.

    This is the difference, there has to be some logic, all paths do not lead to the same objective if path is shown by currupt and dishonest person, any mad man can come and say i also speak with God, and He has said if u don't come and celebrate my birthday you will loose what could be a divine bliss..

    There has to be some logic, there has to be some truth, there has to be some ethical ground, your question has been answered in my blog, if you read the three qualities discribed by few people who proved themselve to be knowledgeable and intelligent.


    if you kill love, disrespect people, fool people, speak lie, manipulate people and convert them into zombie's that path is not the path for realization of truth. That path lead only to distruction of a lovable peaceful and harmonious life.

    We here are trying to help people and make them understand that foolishess is not what they are seeking, they are seeking knowledge, which cannot be achieved by becoming a fool, and buying messages from dead people after spending 250$.

    Regards
    Shashwat

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  31. Shashwat,

    You are correct in you logical thinking... and of qualities of a guide...

    No religious way including Islam teaches violence, its few followers who are not that evolved or have misunderstood the teachings probably cause misunderstandings...

    I apologize if I sound rude... I felt that your messages are filled with a lot of angst/hate...

    This is more a sign of devolution than evolution... (If you may allow me to be rude once again... its somewhat similar to the Islamic extremists you talked about)... Please don't react to this... instead try to see would you have reacted the same way if you were say "Swami Vivekananda"...I use this as a test many times in my day to day life...

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    DON'T GO CHANGING THE WORLD... CHANGE YOURSELF.. AND THAT IS ENOUGH...
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    Correct practice of any spiritual way is bound to bring calmness and peace in your demeanor...

    Chariji was in two thoughts I have heard when we was bringing out "Whispers from brighter world" because it was bound to be controversial...

    In very simple words... you and I to some extent talk to God too... the real self within...As God is not a "being" or an "entity" of course no one can claim that he has heard the voice of God... except to feel "it" inside ourselves...

    I am quite certain Chariji never said that not coming for his birthday will be inauspicious for evolution... however it is quite certain that because of so many people collected at a common place with more or less the same intent... creates an atmosphere which has an automatic effect...

    Sahaj Marg does only one thing... all this "tamasha" of meditation, cleaning… if I may call it helps increase awareness of the divine within... change our focus to something in life which is important...

    Not every abhyasi will be as evolved... each one has his/her own capacity/understanding, his/her own path and is at different milestones in life... more so with ever-increasing number of abhyasis...

    It was Babuji's wish that none be turned who come to sahajmarg... if there were a criterion for entry... I am sure Sahajmarg today would have been 10 people strong...

    That is why it is quite essential to try and understand what the teacher (not abhyasis) is trying to say... and let him help you in your path...

    You speak of killing love, respect etc... but trust me my friend... it takes a long time to understand the meaning of all these words... and most importantly the Purpose of our lives...

    Whatever you are doing... is it really helping people... trying to solve a problem or creating more confusion for the not so fortunate souls...

    I had view similar to yours when I joined sahajmarg... and it took me a long time to understand its importance...

    THE ESSENSE OF SPIRITUALITY IS NOT TO UNDERSTAND OR KNOW... BUT TO "BECOME"...

    ONE LAST TIME...
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    DON'T GO CHANGING THE WORLD... CHANGE YOURSELF.. AND THAT IS ENOUGH...
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  32. Hi Shashwat,

    Hats off to you !!
    You are really amazing person....

    Thanks to Almighty, you alone are not facing this challenge, but must be happening since the mysterious creation of this world.

    There will b fools like Shankaracharya, Kabir, Socrates, Galelio, Christ, Mahavir, Buddha, Krishna, Ram, Ramkrishna, Vivekananda, etc, who will also live like us, will also have families, ambitions, attraction towards this world & Power, and a relaxed life but they wld decide to rather take different path.

    Then, there are intelligent people like me, you, Don, Christian, Michael etc, who would find every possible fault in every effort. And most of these fools are either crucified, poisoned or atleast tarnished by our community of intelligent folks. How Great we are !!

    You are indeed doing a great job !! As mentioned by Don "The good citizen, being moral, ethical and spiritual saves himself first and then warns others of the danger and points in a direction that is more safe. That is a "spiritual" person."
    All of us will definitely be remembered as "Spiritual Giants" without any doubt.

    Shri Ramchandra (both Fatehgarh & Shahjahnpur) are indeed the most stupid people. Inspite of the poverty, where they dint know in the morning if they wld get dinner or not, i dont know why the hell they were thinking of uplifting the level of humanity...Idiots !!
    And look at this fellow, Mr P.Rajagopalachari....Bigger Idiot.. He was in the Board of Directors of large corporate...earning handsome salary, have wonderful family...
    But then he was leaving his family alone, and travelling to Europe and USA along with the other fool to teach Sahaj Marg. Sacrifice? Wht sacrifice? For who? For what? And Why?

    Right from the day Mr P.R. wld have joined (almost like 45 yrs now), He wld be dreaming and wld be having greed to become "Master" one day, so that he could fool around with millions others, and RULE on them, make them slaves...wht if it requires travelling arnd the globe in this age, when he cld be leading the relaxed retirement life along on the hefty pension with his family & grand-children!! Ya, but again its gimmick....so that people cld feel pity and have high regards fr him...("This age, my God...but again for the sake of upliftment of humanity...my Master is Great, like His Master,who travelled to Europe when he was 75). He is great planner, great politician, greater diplomat and may b the biggest culprit...First he ensured that only he is seen arnd with that old man, when there were hardly 20-25 members of SRCM across the globe, then he stole those LH of SRCM,so tht he cld forge the declaration of his nomination. My God !! Wht a man he is !! Then he ensured tht he increase the population of the mission, so he travelled 'mercilessly' across the country and abroad.
    Whom he would hve ruled down the line...after 25-30 YEARS??He wanted to create the batallion of slaves !! And then he created the INNER CIRCLE....WOW...

    Hay Shashwat, thats the wonderful life...and since you are such an intelligent and wonderful person, i wld need your help. i also want to creat my own cult, and rule and live the life of a king, where everybody could just bow their heads in front of me...

    can u help me to plan, so that by Year 2052, i rule like P.R doing today? (Definitely the ONE wld smile on you and all of us)

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  33. You are correct in you logical thinking... and of qualities of a guide...

    Thank you

    No religious way including Islam teaches violence, its few followers who are not that evolved or have misunderstood the teachings probably cause misunderstandings...

    It is not the followers, this implies that u have no knowledge of what Quran says, in any case i am not here to discuss Islam as such hence will not be taking this topic further, just this much that those who are real followers are Islam are the terrorist and Taliban they are the actual implementer of Islam, it does teaches violence, and killing those who do not follow it. There is no misunderstanding, if there is any; it is in the mind of apologetic Muslims. Here i would like to end the discussion of Islam.

    I apologize if I sound rude... I felt that your messages are filled with a lot of angst/hate...


    You don't have to, always remember you never get that what you don't give, if i am giving hate then i will get hate only, it is stupid to think that we keep on giving hate and expect love in return, that is not possible, and this is what we are also doing, just returning what we got, this is explained in sequence and consequence section if you read it again.


    This is more a sign of devolution than evolution... (If you may allow me to be rude once again... its somewhat similar to the Islamic extremists you talked about)... Please don't react to this... instead try to see would you have reacted the same way if you were say "Swami Vivekananda"...I use this as a test many times in my day to day life...


    This judgment that it is devolution and not evolution is your own projection, since you have never seen any evolution hence you are saying this. it is simply that you are not able to understand things as is, otherwise you would have understood what is meant by evolution and devolution.

    You can say whatever you feel like saying about swami Vivekananda, I have got nothing to do with him, he may be a gr8 person or a crap (like Mr Chari) how in the world is that going to make any difference to what SRCM is doing ? in what sense SV and SRCM related? Through dreams of a illusionary person? And you want us to believe that ?







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    Why don't you apply this same teaching to SRCM ? What is the need of creating disturbance in the society? Why can't Mr Chari just change himself and that is enough.. why is SRCM hell bent to change the world ??? You think this statement of yours does not apply on cult groups but it does apply on those who try to expose these cults. This is what is called as hypocrisy. Double standard. Hope you will be able to understand this before you leave this debate.

    Resist no evil... let people die, do not expose mind controlling cults let them destroy family and let them drain every blood for innocent people. I can understand this stand of your's. this is also outcome of SRCM's teaching, you have got nothing to do with the world, let your parents die, serve mission, let you family die of hunger, donate to mission.



    Correct practice of any spiritual way is bound to bring calmness and peace in your demeanor...

    Correct, very correct, are you aware how many preceptor's and senior members of SRCM have died of Heart attack? do you know how many people have suffered physically and emotionally due to method of SRCM, these are not startup, they are very senior preceptor's starting from Dr. Verdhachari. if this practice is spiritual it simply cannot cause any harm, if it does then it is not spiritual to start with. it is simply delusionry these people somehow have stumbled on mind and have got their mind distorted and result is people becoming zombie. This has caused great harm in past also a person in similar state of mind 1400 yrs ago was able to produce such impact that humanity is still paying price for that. He was also spiritual from your understanding.



    Chariji was in two thoughts I have heard when we was bringing out "Whispers from brighter world" because it was bound to be controversial...

    lets see what is present situation, what difference it makes if Mr Chari was 3, 4 or 10 different thoughts. There is book costing 250$ and 10,000/- INR and its French version is pre-sold, may be Mr Chari was in 50 different thought when is decided that i need to sell these messages from "Brighter world" where is this world ? no-one knows .



    In very simple words... you and I to some extent talk to God too... the real self within...As God is not a "being" or an "entity" of course no one can claim that he has heard the voice of God... except to feel "it" inside ourselves...

    Do we go on and tell people that we are talking to God ? and then sell our communication ? there is no dirth of fools in this world.

    Especially in India, because India is basically inclined towards spirituality, India is the Land of Veda's, hence people are always looking for ways to reach the truth if a person comes and say's if you stand on your one leg for 12 yrs you will reach salvation, there will be people following him also. This is not faith, this is not knowledge this is not God. This is simply "naked stupidity".




    I am quite certain Chariji never said that not coming for his birthday will be inauspicious for evolution... however it is quite certain that because of so many people collected at a common place with more or less the same intent... creates an atmosphere which has an automatic effect...

    Do u understand why all cults organize these group meetings ? you tend to forget your own statement so early, let me put it here once again.


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    Remember this is your own statement. In groups, only group thinking prevails, this is why Amway always organizes meeting regularly. to keep control, no-one outside can help anyone realize his/her true self, only the person him/herself can do that. No manipulator is needed between you and your soul. Probably you would like to understand the concept of "Adwaya" non dual.






    Sahaj Marg does only one thing... all this "tamasha" of meditation, cleaning… if I may call it helps increase awareness of the divine within... change our focus to something in life which is important...


    This is a big misconception, how can tamasha help in knowing the divine ? do we have any idea of what is divine ? this divinity as we understand is creation of mind which is populated into our mind by societal teaching. like Sahaj marg etc.. This divinity will be known only when we are able to free our self from all this tamasha, all the creation of God from humans have to be unlearned only after that can we realize the true self, till we are wondering in this dilemma of worldly God’s and their representative who are called God Man’s we are bound to miss the true self.

    If you have some idea of what is meant when the Veda's say "Neti Neti" you would not have made this statement that tamasha like birthday party helps in knowing the true self and if there are many people in a group doing the same thing it helps.. on the contrary it takes one away from what the true self is, probably you are also unaware of the fact that "that which cannot be explained must not be explained" all these gatherings etc are just mind controlling documented cult tactics, people are fooled in believing that gathering helpes in their spiritual upliftment, the divinity is already present, you don't need to leave your home job family friends everything, just to celebrate some-1 birthday coz you feel this will help in your spiritual upliftment... this is brainwashing, nothing else.



    Not every abhyasi will be as evolved... each one has his/her own capacity/understanding, his/her own path and is at different milestones in life... more so with ever-increasing number of abhyasis...

    No-one will be evolved as this is not a spiritual group but a cult, hence don't be in any mis-conception that there can be some-1 who will evolve. no-one will as this path is that of destruction, also zombies are educated that SRCM is growing, this is opposite to what is facts, in last Five yrs number of registered Zombies have moved from 300K to 200K this data is from SRCM Chari group website only.



    It was Babuji's wish that none be turned who come to sahajmarg... if there were a criterion for entry... I am sure Sahajmarg today would have been 10 people strong...


    which selfish person wants to deny money, moverover here we talking about SRCM Chari group, California based group and not the Sahjahanpur based SRCM. that is run by other people pls read my blog.


    That is why it is quite essential to try and understand what the teacher (not abhyasis) is trying to say... and let him help you in your path...


    If you don't know what the teacher is saying then let me introduce you, marry inside the community so that more abhyasis can be produced. this is what your teaches is saying, one more, meditation is not going to help, as Mr Chari know some people who had meditated for thousands of yrs but failed. Now here you have believe that there are people who live for thousands of yrs they do meditation and then fail. what happened to them after thousand yrs ? Only Chari know's. Instead loving master and working for mission will help more. Read some of his speeches present in chari group website itself


    You speak of killing love, respect etc... but trust me my friend... it takes a long time to understand the meaning of all these words... and most importantly the Purpose of our lives...

    You will not understand these till you do not suffer, to understand love suffering is must, to understand respect humiliation is must, to understand life, death is must. coz without one the other does not exist. Since this is not the said agenda of discussion here hence i will not elaborate more here.

    Whatever you are doing... is it really helping people... trying to solve a problem or creating more confusion for the not so fortunate souls...

    It is helping people to get rid of confusion. Created by dreams of dillusionary people. It does help those who want to be helped.

    I had view similar to yours when I joined sahajmarg... and it took me a long time to understand its importance...


    Why you joined Sahaj marg in that case ? yes it takes long time to become a complete fool i can understand that part but am unable to understand the first part.

    THE ESSENSE OF SPIRITUALITY IS NOT TO UNDERSTAND OR KNOW... BUT TO "BECOME"...


    Well this is actually reverse, you cannot become that what you don't understand, and to understand you must know what you want to understand, this is what SRCM is opposed as they are retarding the growth of 200K people.





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    Same statement friend


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    We don't need any SRCM any cult to become what we are.

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  34. Hats off to you !!
    You are really amazing person....

    Thanks but no thanks I am not here to receive any compliments.

    Thanks to Almighty, you alone are not facing this challenge, but must be happening since the mysterious creation of this world.

    I was not present when this world was created hence I have no comments to make on those time where I do not exist, I can only come to a conclusion after a logical analysis not based on any stupid assumptions.

    There will b fools like Shankaracharya, Kabir, Socrates, Galelio, Christ, Mahavir, Buddha, Krishna, Ram, Ramkrishna, Vivekananda, etc, who will also live like us, will also have families, ambitions, attraction towards this world & Power, and a relaxed life but they wld decide to rather take different path.

    Well I am not surprised when you call these people fools as they are the one who concluded that faith must follow logic, and not reverse, hence they are in contrast to what you have been educated to. This can be understood; even if you had not made this statement it is obvious that for SRCM Zombies these people are indeed fools as they said something which would eventually demolish all cults of this world. From SRCM point of view you are correct, they were indeed fools that they tried to explain the concept of “Adwatya” also they said blind faith causes only harm and they also were open all sort of discussion on and debates on what they felt is correct, ShankaraCharya had 15 day long debate with “Matuk mishr” discussion is prohibited in SRCM, read recent posting on their website and message which are coming from “brighter world”, as far as these fools are concerned they did not closed all scope of freedom in name of giving freedom, hence you view is correct till the time you are SRCM infected, the moment you become free, you will understand that these people are those who actually understood the truth and it is SRCM which is foolish and not the other way round



    Then, there are intelligent people like me, you, Don, Christian, Michael etc, who would find every possible fault in every effort. And most of these fools are either crucified, poisoned or atleast tarnished by our community of intelligent folks. How Great we are !!

    What makes you feel that you are intelligent? I can understand about Don Christian and Michael, to some extend myself also but how come you are intelligent ? pls elaborate. You have not even signed your name and you declare urself to be intelligent ??? well this is something that only a SRCM zombie can do, no normal person can do that, pls don’t take me as someone who accept all foolishness without questioning, if you want to be called as intelligent then you will have to prove that.

    We are not trying to find any fault in any effort, we are simply expressing our view that this particular effort is misleading, and is causing harm and is fooling people in name of absolute truth, we are not making any vague statement as declaring ourselves as intelligent but whatever we are saying we are providing valid arguments in support of it, to add to this we are also available for discussion criticism and debates we are not closed as to no questions can be asked, you were able to ask us about our stand and we are replying, this is not the case with SRCM, they are closing all channels for open debate and criticism, that to in name of giving freedom, probably you would like to explain how can knowledge be achieved by becoming a fool ? if you close all doors how can any air from outside some in, no doubt what is in there will remain but in course of time, it will stagnate, hence freedom of thought and freedom of expression is must, you cannot grow that what you don’t free, freedom is first condition for growth.




    You are indeed doing a great job !! As mentioned by Don "The good citizen, being moral, ethical and spiritual saves himself first and then warns others of the danger and points in a direction that is more safe. That is a "spiritual" person."
    All of us will definitely be remembered as "Spiritual Giants" without any doubt.

    This is true, I agree 100% here with you, but since I am not aware of future hence I cannot comment on how we will be remembered. Probably this bothers you more it doesn’t bothers us a bit



    Shri Ramchandra (both Fatehgarh & Shahjahnpur) are indeed the most stupid people.

    Not very sure of that but considering the outcome I tend to agree with you.


    Inspite of the poverty, where they dint know in the morning if they wld get dinner or not, i dont know why the hell they were thinking of uplifting the level of humanity...Idiots !!

    Now I agree 100% they were idiots indeed, if they can’t eat they can’t preach, they were indeed stupid who are going out to preach when they don’t even have anything to eat. This is stupid indeed.


    And look at this fellow, Mr P.Rajagopalachari....Bigger Idiot.. He was in the Board of Directors of large corporate...earning handsome salary, have wonderful family...
    But then he was leaving his family alone, and travelling to Europe and USA along with the other fool to teach Sahaj Marg. Sacrifice? Wht sacrifice? For who? For what? And Why?

    This can be understood by the law of balance of nature, for every good there is evil, and those who spread evil do so whole heartedly, they were spreading evil so that there can be enough suffering in this world of Maya which can make people realize that there is some truth which one need to realize. So they are not stupid but messenger of evil spreading all suffering. You can take us as those who are resisting this evil, at least you have started to question, this is good sign and this is a reword for our hard work, pls do continue to question, only this will help

    Right from the day Mr P.R. wld have joined (almost like 45 yrs now), He wld be dreaming and wld be having greed to become "Master" one day, so that he could fool around with millions others, and RULE on them,
    make them slaves...wht if it requires travelling arnd the globe in this age, when he cld be leading the relaxed retirement life along on the hefty pension with his family & grand-children!! Ya, but again its gimmick....so that people cld feel pity and have high regards fr him...("This age, my God...but again for the sake of upliftment of humanity...my Master is Great, like His Master,who travelled to Europe when he was 75). He is great planner, great politician, greater diplomat and may b the biggest culprit...First he ensured that only he is seen arnd with that old man, when there were hardly 20-25 members of SRCM across the globe, then he stole those LH of SRCM,so tht he cld forge the declaration of his nomination. My God !! Wht a man he is !! Then he ensured tht he increase the population of the mission, so he travelled 'mercilessly' across the country and abroad.

    Quite possible, but may be since there are so many zombie hence there is no doubt that he is also a foolish person unable to think and at logical level which is below animal standard. But we need to understand this, a person comes and declares that he is in direct contact with God and there are people who come and talk to him, now few people will ask, they will question this statement and would like to come to a conclusion, those who would like to verify the facts will come to know the truth those who foolishly agree will also become dellusionary and stupid, believing that indeed God is soo weak that He needs a messenger to spread the way to reach him, now those who agree that indeed God is weak and He need a messenger who can teach the way to reach him (as if those who do not know are less dear to Him.) are those people like Mr P.R and there are those who understand that only through self can one reach the self are those whom you have already labeled as foolish, like of Shankarcharya, SV Krishna etc.



    Whom he would hve ruled down the line...after 25-30 YEARS??He wanted to create the batallion of slaves !! And then he created the INNER CIRCLE....WOW...

    This is fact, this is what the situation is today, hence in all probability you view appear to be correct, but its authenticity can only be verified by direct questioning, if this was not the motive then why he did all the stupid acts which he did in past, remember the concept of sequence and consequence. Pls read it again. If this was not the motive then why we have a Sahaj Marg from Sahajhanpur and another from California ? and yet another which goes by the name of ISRC whose motives are/were genuine this is needed to known by all those who are/were affected by it.

    Hay Shashwat, thats the wonderful life...and since you are such an intelligent and wonderful person, i wld need your help. i also want to creat my own cult, and rule and live the life of a king, where everybody could just bow their heads in front of me...

    can u help me to plan, so that by Year 2052, i rule like P.R doing today? (Definitely the ONE wld smile on you and all of us)


    is that difficult that you need any help ? just say what many cult leaders are saying do not question my teaching I will take you to liberty if you renounce your freedom, but don’t ask question, as to have faith one need to become a fool, just propagate these concept and make sure you are able to intoxicate people regularly otherwise they may drift away, hence make sure you have your men appointed in every possible city, and make meeting with your appointed men compulsory, you can also say that these meetings help in growth, also make sure that you make people come in groups once in a while, and make sure they are not able to think freely there you have all the ingredients of a cult. I hope this will help you, but the most important point is make sure no-one is exposed to the truth they are seeking, as when they come to know the truth you will vanish, all your importance etc will be gone you will be left like a fool, make sure they do not realize the truth coz if they do, they will leave you. This is what constitute a cult, and you can make lot of money from this, with many women’s whom you can enjoy, and your appointed men can also enjoy some beautiful women’s surrendering in front of them. This is really bliss isn’t it ?

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  35. Thanks Shaswat for your great work.
    And my sincere apology fr assuming that i was one among the intelligent people. Indeed,i m one of those "Zombies".

    But i was wondering that on one side i find you having great regards and respect for Swami Vivekanand, and on the other side, you are saying that both Ram Chandras were stupids ("if they can’t eat they can’t preach, they were indeed stupid who are going out to preach when they don’t even have anything to eat."). Since you have read lot of literature, and a well learned person, i m sure you would know the life of SV. Just for the benefit of all, he was eldest son in his family and left them for the sake of another old man, when his mother and younger ones, had nothing to eat.

    He, his Master, and the group of those 15-20 crazy jokers used to live in a house, which was almost demolished, and where they had company of snakes and scorpions.

    Why the hell they were doing it..?
    And then this man heard tht there is some conference happening in Chicago, and he left in a ship, somebody donated fare. He had nothing to eat, and nothing to wear. In Chicago, this annonymous & penniless didnt eat for 2 days, but then hungry to share the Knowledge & Wisdom of Hinduism with the rest of the world. And after his famous Chicago address, suddenly he became the hot property....Ha !! All those zombies & slaves wanted him to talk more, and this bugger, relentlessly doing that too, so that he could form a cult, make these zombies the slaves, and rule.Some of the newspapers described him as the "cyclonic Hindu," some as "prince among men" or "Brahmin monk," while others chose to designate him by such epithets as "warrior prophet" and "militant mystic."
    Crazy !! One of the greatest Spiritual Giants,humanity cld ever have, was stupid indeed. And he went to one,who must be 'mental-case', who used to get into so-called 'trans' state, and wld talk to Maa Kali.. Yukkkyy !!

    Please do read : http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/sv5.html

    Now, SV must be wrong, Shashwat cant be..."if they can’t eat they can’t preach, they were indeed stupid who are going out to preach when they don’t even have anything to eat.This is stupid indeed".
    And more so....wht was SV doing at the feet of that "Mad Pujari"..? Why did he need, when its not required at all...
    Our Shaswhat says -
    "God is soo weak that He needs a messenger to spread the way to reach him, now those who agree that indeed God is weak and He need a messenger who can teach the way to reach him (as if those who do not know are less dear to Him.) are those people like Mr P.R and there are those who understand that only through self can one reach the self are those whom you have already labeled as foolish, like of Shankarcharya, SV Krishna etc."
    And here SV & his Mad Man says -
    The Divine Physics of Evolution:
    The need for a HUMAN Spiritual Master
    Man has no idea of the Spirit, he has to think of it with the forms he has before him. He has to think of the blue skies, or the expansive fields, or the sea, or something huge. How else can you think of God? So what are you doing in reality? You are talking of omnipresence, and thinking of the sea. Is God the sea? A little more common sense is required.

    We are bound by our present constitution, limited and bound to see God as man. If the buffaloes want to worship God, they will see Him as a huge buffalo. If a fish wants to worship God, it will have to think of Him as a big fish. You and I, the buffalo, the fish, each represent so many vessels. All these go to sea to be filled with water according to the shape of the vessel. In each of these vessels is nothing but water. So with God. When men see Him, they see Him as man, and animal as animal — each according to his ideal. That is the only way you can see Him; you have to worship Him as man, because there is no other way out of it. Two classes of men do not worship God as man — the human brute who has no religion, and the Paramahansa [the highest Yogi] who has gone beyond humanity, who has thrown off his mind and body and gone beyond the limits of nature. . . Between these poles of existence, if anyone tells you he is not going to worship God as man, take care of him. He is an irresponsible talker, he is mistaken; his religion is for frothy thinkers, it is intellectual nonsense.
    -From Swami Vivekenanda, Complete Works of Swami Vivekenanda

    And Sri Ramakrishna put it: what is required is a Spiritual Master who, once you hire Him (or Her) to "cure" you, will grab you by the neck and force the medicine down your throat, no matter how much kicking or screaming you do. You wouldn't want a doctor to do otherwise if your life was at stake! (And our Spiritual lives are at stake, with timing running out.) Who wants a surgeon who is afraid of blood, whose qualms about cutting into the human body, or whose “empathy” for the patient makes his or her hand tremble? Who wants a doctor who is afraid to slap a patient's face, apply electric shock to his chest, or shout in his ears for him to wake up or open his eyes, if that is what is required to keep him from "shuffling off this mortal coil" in the next instant?

    Both MUST b the greedy kings of Zombies....afterall its the question of FREEDOM...

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  36. By the way, Shashwat, could u raise these points up with Mr PR directly, in person..."the Great India Challenge" -
    ""1. Prove that approach of SRCM is natural
    2. Prove that SRCM has anything to do with Raja Yoga
    3. Prove that concept of SRCM is not against family life and it does not disrupt family life of people.
    4. Prove that SRCM is divine organization, and its masters are of divine essence, i.e it is immortal, and will last till humanity will last.
    If you can do that i will take my words back and remove this website, not before i offer an unconditional apology to all of you and surrender to your master totally.""

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  37. Thanks Shaswat for your great work.
    And my sincere apology fr assuming that i was one among the intelligent people. Indeed,i m one of those "Zombies".

    Its really good that you have accepted yourself as you are, this is first step. Keep moving

    But i was wondering that on one side i find you having great regards and respect for Swami Vivekanand, and on the other side, you are saying that both Ram Chandras were stupids ("if they can’t eat they can’t preach, they were indeed stupid who are going out to preach when they don’t even have anything to eat."). Since you have read lot of literature, and a well learned person, i m sure you would know the life of SV. Just for the benefit of all, he was eldest son in his family and left them for the sake of another old man, when his mother and younger ones, had nothing to eat.

    He, his Master, and the group of those 15-20 crazy jokers used to live in a house, which was almost demolished, and where they had company of snakes and scorpions.


    This is probably one of the dreams or a message from the brighter world. For facts pls read Biography of SV by SN. Here is a brief intro. Refer to chapter 2 you will find this.



    “For five years Narendra closely watched the Master, never allowing himself to be influenced by blind faith, always testing the words and actions of Sri Ramakrishna in the crucible of reason. It cost him many sorrows and much anguish before he accepted Sri Ramakrishna as the guru and the ideal of the spiritual life. But when the acceptance came, it was wholehearted, final, and irrevocable. The Master, too, was overjoyed to find a disciple who doubted, and he knew that Naren was the one to carry his message to the world.”


    Moreover if we can come out of dreams and look at the reality you will find that SV was born in a well to do family pls read the first chapter itself you will find this

    “The Datta family of Calcutta, into which Narendranath had been born, was well known for its affluence, philanthropy, scholarship, and independent spirit. The grand father, Durgacharan, after the birth of his first son, had renounced the world in search of God. The father, Viswanath, an attorney-at-law of the High Court of Calcutta, was versed in English and Persian literature”

    Who told you that his family had nothing to eat ? is this also a message from brighter world ?







    Why the hell they were doing it..?
    And then this man heard tht there is some conference happening in Chicago, and he left in a ship, somebody donated fare. He had nothing to eat, and nothing to wear. In Chicago, this annonymous & penniless didnt eat for 2 days, but then hungry to share the Knowledge & Wisdom of Hinduism with the rest of the world. And after his famous Chicago address, suddenly he became the hot property....Ha !! All those zombies & slaves wanted him to talk more, and this bugger, relentlessly doing that too, so that he could form a cult, make these zombies the slaves, and rule.Some of the newspapers described him as the "cyclonic Hindu," some as "prince among men" or "Brahmin monk," while others chose to designate him by such epithets as "warrior prophet" and "militant mystic."
    Crazy !! One of the greatest Spiritual Giants,humanity cld ever have, was stupid indeed. And he went to one,who must be 'mental-case', who used to get into so-called 'trans' state, and wld talk to Maa Kali.. Yukkkyy !!

    Please do read : http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/sv5.html

    Now, SV must be wrong, Shashwat cant be..."if they can’t eat they can’t preach, they were indeed stupid who are going out to preach when they don’t even have anything to eat.This is stupid indeed".
    And more so....wht was SV doing at the feet of that "Mad Pujari"..? Why did he need, when its not required at all...



    This is another dream or a message from the brighter world, pls read this you can find this info free of charge on internet (you don’t have to pay USD 250 !!!!)

    “Then to the Swami, brooding alone and in silence on that point of rock off the tip of India, the vision came; there flashed before his mind the new continent of America, a land of optimism, great wealth, and unstinted generosity. He saw America as a country of unlimited opportunities, where people's minds were free from the encumbrance of castes or classes. He would give the receptive Americans the ancient wisdom of India and bring back to his motherland, in exchange, the knowledge of science and technology. If he succeeded in his mission to America, he would not only enhance India's prestige in the Occident, but create a new confidence among his own people. He recalled the earnest requests of his friends to represent India in the forthcoming Parliament of Religions in Chicago. And in particular, he remembered the words of the friends in Kathiawar who had been the first to encourage him to go to the West: 'Go and take it by storm, and then return!'”







    Our Shaswhat says -
    "God is soo weak that He needs a messenger to spread the way to reach him, now those who agree that indeed God is weak and He need a messenger who can teach the way to reach him (as if those who do not know are less dear to Him.) are those people like Mr P.R and there are those who understand that only through self can one reach the self are those whom you have already labeled as foolish, like of Shankarcharya, SV Krishna etc."
    And here SV & his Mad Man says –


    The Divine Physics of Evolution:
    The need for a HUMAN Spiritual Master
    Man has no idea of the Spirit, he has to think of it with the forms he has before him. He has to think of the blue skies, or the expansive fields, or the sea, or something huge. How else can you think of God? So what are you doing in reality? You are talking of omnipresence, and thinking of the sea. Is God the sea? A little more common sense is required.

    We are bound by our present constitution, limited and bound to see God as man. If the buffaloes want to worship God, they will see Him as a huge buffalo. If a fish wants to worship God, it will have to think of Him as a big fish. You and I, the buffalo, the fish, each represent so many vessels. All these go to sea to be filled with water according to the shape of the vessel. In each of these vessels is nothing but water. So with God. When men see Him, they see Him as man, and animal as animal — each according to his ideal. That is the only way you can see Him; you have to worship Him as man, because there is no other way out of it. Two classes of men do not worship God as man — the human brute who has no religion, and the Paramahansa [the highest Yogi] who has gone beyond humanity, who has thrown off his mind and body and gone beyond the limits of nature. . . Between these poles of existence, if anyone tells you he is not going to worship God as man, take care of him. He is an irresponsible talker, he is mistaken; his religion is for frothy thinkers, it is intellectual nonsense.
    -From Swami Vivekenanda, Complete Works of Swami Vivekenanda

    I have read the first part but have not come across the last two line, can u elaborate more ? which chapter ? or is it another message from the brighter world ?

    here allow me to reproduce it again this is from Vol-2 Chapter-Maya and conception of God, section Jana yoga

    “Pleasure and pain are meted out in equal measure. If the pleasure felt by animals is so much keener than that felt by man, it follows that the animals' sense of pain is as keen, if not keener than man's. So the fact is, the pain and misery men feel in dying is intensified a thousandfold in animals, and yet we kill them without troubling ourselves about their misery. This is Maya. And if we suppose there is a Personal God like a human being, who made everything, these so-called explanations and theories which try to prove that out of evil comes good are not sufficient. Let twenty thousand good things come, but why should they come from evil? On that principle, I might cut the throats of others because I want the full pleasure of my five senses. That is no reason. Why should good come through evil? The question remains to be answered, and it cannot be answered. The philosophy of India was compelled to admit this”



    And Sri Ramakrishna put it: what is required is a Spiritual Master who, once you hire Him (or Her) to "cure" you, will grab you by the neck and force the medicine down your throat, no matter how much kicking or screaming you do. You wouldn't want a doctor to do otherwise if your life was at stake! (And our Spiritual lives are at stake, with timing running out.) Who wants a surgeon who is afraid of blood, whose qualms about cutting into the human body, or whose “empathy” for the patient makes his or her hand tremble? Who wants a doctor who is afraid to slap a patient's face, apply electric shock to his chest, or shout in his ears for him to wake up or open his eyes, if that is what is required to keep him from "shuffling off this mortal coil" in the next instant?

    Here you are ignoring the most important part “Once you hire him” there has to be some logic before you hire some-1, you simply cannot become a fool and renounce all your logic, A guru must be chosen only after a completely tested and verified logical arguments once that person passes your test accept him as your guru reject those who say first try then think. This is non-sense.


    Both MUST b the greedy kings of Zombies....afterall its the question of FREEDOM...


    You tend to forget the very purpose of your visit here, I can understand that you are not focused allow me to remind you once again that you have not come here to discuss SV or RK, but you have come here discuss a crap called P.R it would be nice for you incase you are able to focus urself on discussion about SRCM and do not drift it to discussion about SV, here I am not going to comment on your dreams or an unknown brighter world, does it makes any sense to you why I want to discuss SRCM and not SV ? coz purpose of this site is not to spread the teachings of SV but to warn people of danger and threat presented by this cult called SRCMtm (California based Chari group).


    Since you are drifting from your said agenda allow me to put forward one teaching of your divine master

    Quote.....

    Babuji told us, and I have seen this in my experience, that there are three types of abhyasis. One type of abhyasi is attached to the Mission. He doesn’t care for abhyasis and Masters and things like that. He is faithful to the Mission. He will clean; he will do all that work, but he does not progress. The other type of abhyasi is one who is attached to the meditation. He doesn’t care about the Mission; he doesn’t care about the Master. He only thinks of the method. And even when the Master is conducting satsangh there, he will be doing his meditation here. He thinks it is all the same; “After all he is giving sitting; I am also doing meditation.” The third one is the one who is attached to the Master. They look after the Master. They are surrounding him all the time, but they don’t meditate; they don’t think of the Mission—like I have so many people here, you see.

    Now, the best one—of course the one who serves the Master is the best, because you are always close; you learn something. Meditation is best next. And Mission—after all, what is a Mission? It’s an organisation. First, love the Master. Then meditate, do cleaning, because he says you should do it. I don’t personally believe that meditation can lead us to the goal because, according to the spiritual history of India, there have been people who have meditated thousands of years and they didn’t make it. I asked Babuji. He said, “Yes you are right.” I said, “Then why do you prescribe meditation, cleaning, you know—all of these things?” He said, “Obedience. To create obedience in people.”
    ....unquote....

    So now we have to assume few things here.

    1. There are people who live for thousands of years.
    2. They meditated for thousands of years
    3. They told Mr Chari that they had failed
    4. Their method was also known to Mr Chari
    5. what happened to them after thousands of year is also known to Mr Chari.

    Once we agree to this then we can safely conclude that meditation etc are of no use as personal experience is not needed for spiritual progress, all you need to do is to become a fool and allow a manipulator to swing your life in accordance to his own sweet will.

    In this way you will become spiritual and grow. Also no questions can be asked you see.

    To be precise this is what we are fighting blind faith harms, if people are not able to question they will not know. Remember faith must follow logic and reasoning, it simply cannot precede it, this will only make SRCM zombies. Nothing else. We want to change this concept of blind faith we want people to be strong enough so that they can question every illogical assumptions, and do not fall in traps of cults like these. Questioning is what we want.


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  38. In response to your second post:-

    I have done that, they did not responded below is the copy of my mail sent to them.



    To: apdurai@srcm.org, nsreenivasan@srcm.org, santosh.sreenivasan@srcm.org, usbajpai@srcm.org, santosh@srcm.org, akbhatter@srcm.org


    Subject: Concerns and views about SRCM activies


    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:04:15 IST


    Cc: meditation@umbc.edu, nac@ndb.vsnl.net.in, mumbainewsline@expressindia.com, mailbag@mid-day.com, mail@indiatvnews.com, toieditorial@timesgroup.com, letters@deccanherald.co.in, letters@thehindu.co.in, letters@tribuneindia.com


    Respected list,
    In refrence to your organisation named SRCM (www.srcm.org) i would like to express my displeasure and concerns related to activites of your organisation. Due to teachings of SRCM which in my view can be termed as mind control methods, which are adopted by your organisation i would like to request you to kindly discountinue with spreading your methods of mind control and convinsing people to run away from practcal life offered by lord almighty, i strongly disagree with your point of views and invite you to make things more clear.
    Incase you do not agree to any of the points mentioned by me or you feel that anything mentioned in my page is incorrect in any refrence kindly inform me and i will update it accordingly, i also would request you to kindly prove your point on logical ground with strong reasoning associated with it, otherwise kindly accept the fact that SRCM is spreading nucense in personal life of people, thereby causing much harm rather then to provide any sort of upliftment. Kindly answer my views below with refrence to teaching of SRCM, which are also uploaded on internet at www.geocities.com/sha211_211/srcm.html incase my views are proven wrong not only i will remove the page but also tender an unconditional appology.



    No cult can respond to such email, for them we are misguided. the untouchable etc etc

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  39. This info is for those who were confused that SV left his family in mids of crices, these sort of illogical, stupid and false example's are one of the main cause for people to get fooled, we all must seek information directly from the source and no-where else.


    Pls read the comeplete page at"-
    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda_biography/vivekananda_biography.htm






    In 1884, when Narendranath was preparing for the B.A. examination, his family was struck by a calamity. His father suddenly died, and the mother and children were plunged into great grief. For Viswanath, a man of generous nature, had lived beyond his means, and his death burdened the family with a heavy debt. Creditors, like hungry wolves, began to prowl about the door, and to make matters worse, certain relatives brought a lawsuit for the partition of the ancestral home. Though they lost it, Narendra was faced, thereafter, with poverty. As the eldest male member of the family, he had to find the wherewithal for the feeding of seven or eight mouths and began to hunt a job. He also attended the law classes. He went about clad in coarse clothes, barefoot, and hungry. Often he refused invitations for dinner from friends, remembering his starving mother, brothers, and sisters at home. He would skip family meals on the fictitious plea that he had already eaten at a friend's house, so that the people at home might receive a larger share of the scanty food. The Datta family was proud and would not dream of soliciting help from outsiders. With his companions Narendra was his usual gay self. His rich friends no doubt noticed his pale face, but they did nothing to help. Only one friend sent occasional anonymous aid, and Narendra remained grateful to him for life. Meanwhile, all his efforts to find employment failed. Some friends who earned money in a dishonest way asked him to join them, and a rich woman sent him an immoral proposal, promising to put an end to his financial distress. But Narendra gave to these a blunt rebuff. Sometimes he would wonder if the world were not the handiwork of the Devil — for how could one account for so much suffering in God's creation?



    This further states that



    He had been out since morning in a soaking rain in search of employment, having had neither food nor rest for the whole day. That evening he sat down on the porch of a house by the roadside, exhausted. He was in a daze. Thoughts began to flit before his mind, which he could not control. Suddenly he had a strange vision, which lasted almost the whole night. He felt that veil after veil was removed from before his soul, and he understood the reconciliation of God's justice with His mercy. He came to know — but he never told how — that misery could exist in the creation of a compassionate God without impairing His sovereign power or touching man's real self. He understood the meaning of it all and was at peace. Just before daybreak, refreshed both in body and in mind, he returned home.


    Next to the point where our hidden friend has stated that

    "he was eldest son in his family and left them for the sake of another old man, when his mother and younger ones, had nothing to eat"

    No man who leaves his loved one's in time of need can even become a saint, he can only be a representative of devil and nothing more, pls read further. for this our hidden friend might think of buddha for that he did not left his wife and children without any food or shelter, he was son of a king and his wife was a queen.




    When they met, the Master persuaded his disciple to accompany him to Dakshineswar. As they arrived in his room, Sri Ramakrishna went into an ecstatic mood and sang a song, while tears bathed his eyes. The words of the song clearly indicated that the Master knew of the disciple's secret wish. When other devotees asked him about the cause of his grief, Sri Ramakrishna said, 'Oh, never mind, it is something between me and Naren, and nobody else's business.' At night he called Naren to his side and said with great feeling: 'I know you are born for Mother's work. I also know that you will be a monk. But stay in the world as long as I live, for my sake at least.' He wept again.

    Soon after, Naren procured a temporary job, which was sufficient to provide a hand-to-mouth living for the family.



    So we find that SV was not a escapist what is tought in Chari group, these sort of manipulation is what has led to the retardation of growth of those who seek the truth, be-aware of these kind of diception's.



    This is about sahaj margs concept of not to meditate on those things which one likes to get rid off.



    Narendra always came to the Master in the hours of his spiritual difficulties. One time he complained that he could not meditate in the morning on account of the shrill note of a whistle from a neighbouring mill, and was advised by the Master to concentrate on the very sound of the whistle. In a short time he overcame the distraction. Another time he found it difficult to forget the body at the time of meditation. Sri Ramakrishna sharply pressed the space between Naren's eyebrows and asked him to concentrate on that sensation. The disciple found this method effective



    (pls note sahaj marg teaches you not to meditate on objects which you want to get rid off)

    This is the reason why we stress that we must question everything and try to find out the answer's by our own effort.

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  40. Shashwat says...
    This is probably one of the dreams or a message from the brighter world. For facts pls read Biography of SV by SN. Here is a brief intro. Refer to chapter 2 you will find this.
    “For five years Narendra closely watched the Master, never allowing himself …………….and he knew that Naren was the one to carry his message to the world.”

    >> Pls note that the approach was POSITIVE, INQUISITIVE, OF A TRUE SEEKER, WHO HAD PAIIENCE TO TEST THE OLD MAN FOR 5-6 YRS….
    Before Him, SV met dozens of other priests/saints/preachers, and no body could answer his simple questions to his satisfaction….but that didn’t mean that he started calling others ‘craps’…Why? I think that there was sincere & honest inner urge to find the One who could guide him to the highest. The focus was Spirituality, the objective was the Highest.

    If the objective is not as mentioned above, then I think, people are free to call anybody crap/zombies etc. There were many who used to call Shri Ramkrishna ‘mentally-challenged’ & mad. Lord Krishna was called ‘womanizer’ by many.

    Shashwat says....
    Moreover if we can come out of dreams and look at the reality you will find that SV was born in a well to do family pls read the first chapter itself you will find this

    “The Datta family of Calcutta, into which Narendranath had been born, was ……. was versed in English and Persian literature”
    Who told you that his family had nothing to eat ? is this also a message from brighter world ?

    >> Not at all my dear brother Shashwat. It’s the fact,documented history, which I thought you would know. Wht you say is absolutely right, but then that’s only the half truth. Read for yourself
    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda_biography/vivekananda_biography.htm
    In 1884, when Narendranath was preparing for the B.A. examination, his family was struck by a calamity. His father suddenly died, and the mother and children were plunged into great grief. For Viswanath, a man of generous nature, had lived beyond his means, and his death burdened the family with a heavy debt. Creditors, like hungry wolves, began to prowl about the door, and to make matters worse, certain relatives brought a lawsuit for the partition of the ancestral home. Though they lost it, Narendra was faced, thereafter, with poverty. As the eldest male member of the family, he had to find the wherewithal for the feeding of seven or eight mouths and began to hunt a job. He also attended the law classes. He went about clad in coarse clothes, barefoot, and hungry. Often he refused invitations for dinner from friends, remembering his starving mother, brothers, and sisters at home. He would skip family meals on the fictitious plea that he had already eaten at a friend's house, so that the people at home might receive a larger share of the scanty food. The Datta family was proud and would not dream of soliciting help from outsiders. With his companions Narendra was his usual gay self. His rich friends no doubt noticed his pale face, but they did nothing to help. Only one friend sent occasional anonymous aid, and Narendra remained grateful to him for life. Meanwhile, all his efforts to find employment failed. Some friends who earned money in a dishonest way asked him to join them, and a rich woman sent him an immoral proposal, promising to put an end to his financial distress. But Narendra gave to these a blunt rebuff. Sometimes he would wonder if the world were not the handiwork of the Devil — for how could one account for so much suffering in God's creation?

    My Mission –(talk given by SV)
    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_8/vol_8_frame.htm
    This is the most touching,and conveys whts the meaning of spiritual commitment, tht thr are duties beyond our own superficial and selfish existence.The people frm West may call it foolishness, but then this is the tradition of this Land.

    Shashwat says....
    This is another dream or a message from the brighter world, pls read this you can find this info free of charge on internet (you don’t have to pay USD 250 !!!!)
    >> Even you don’t have to pay USD250 to read these messages frm BW….its avble on the net.

    Here you are ignoring the most important part “Once you hire him” there has to be some logic before you hire some-1, you simply cannot become a fool and renounce all your logic, A guru must be chosen only after a completely tested and verified logical arguments once that person passes your test accept him as your guru reject those who say first try then think. This is non-sense.
    >> I agree & disagree with you. We should hire Guru after we test him to our satisfaction. It may take time, but then its worth. But unless we follow the prescription suggested by Doc, how wld we know if the Doc is capable or not. Logical questioning shld go along with the practice.

    Shashwat says...
    You tend to forget the very purpose of your visit here, I can understand that you are not focused allow me to remind you once again that you have not come here to discuss SV or RK, but you have come here discuss a crap called P.R it would be nice for you incase you are able to focus urself on discussion about SRCM and do not drift it to discussion about SV, here I am not going to comment on your dreams or an unknown brighter world, does it makes any sense to you why I want to discuss SRCM and not SV ? coz purpose of this site is not to spread the teachings of SV but to warn people of danger and threat presented by this cult called SRCMtm (California based Chari group).


    Since you are drifting from your said agenda allow me to put forward one teaching of your divine master
    >> Shashwat, I m only going by your approach of logic before faith.
    Spirituality is not exclusive property of SV or PR or RK or Krishna or Buddha or Jesus….…it’s the birth right of every human being. SV or others spoke the Truth, which is independent of the individuals. Individuals are incidental. They are not talking something which has not been spoken before, or all of us do not know. If Dog had spoken these words, would have equal importance. But I found you having some respect for SV, so took your points, and only helped to make you realize that there is a possibility of our being not knwing the complete facts.
    You agreed with me tht both Ramchandras were stupids, as they were preaching Sahaj Marg when they had nothing to eat. And I proved that even SV was also not more than a beggar before his Chicago address.
    You said, only self is enough, and you don’t need any so called Guru to reach the Goal. I only showed you wht SV had to say about the Living Guide.

    So now we have to assume few things here.

    1. There are people who live for thousands of years.
    2. They meditated for thousands of years
    3. They told Mr Chari that they had failed
    4. Their method was also known to Mr Chari
    5. what happened to them after thousands of year is also known to Mr Chari.
    >> How do you serve a Guru?
    There is always some perspective, a reference with which the things are spoken. If the reference changes, the things do change.But it dosnt reduce or increase the importance of either, both are imp frm the respective references. Truth remains same. If i am at a ground level, i wld say, my house is big, and if i m at 2000 ft, i wld say tht my house is small. Both are right, and both are truth, only the reference and perspective are changed. I can post many talks where they say that without Meditation nothing can be achieved, and Mission is of no importance. Its upto us to understand the perspective, and assimilate.In one of his talks, PR says - "Meditation is to induce not only external stillness but an inner stillness of the mind, which alone can take us to our goal."
    "When you sit in meditation, you must go deep; and when you go deep, nothing must awaken you. That is real meditation. And what is the great beauty of meditation? In the Gita, Lord Krishna says, "Dhyanaath karma phala tyaagam." It does not take you to heaven. If anybody says, you meditate and you go to heaven or brighter world, it is not correct. By dhyana, karma phala tyaagam-my karma phala [fruit of actions] is all washed away, and because I have no karma phala left in me, I have no punarjanma [rebirth]."

    Perspective, my dear, perspective.
    When Doctor asks you to stop certain prescription...wht would u do? Would u say, "u only asked me to take these medicines, and now u r asking me to stop...? I wont.."
    Doc can only pray!!

    Shashwat says...
    Once we agree to this then we can safely conclude that meditation etc are of no use as personal experience is not needed for spiritual progress, all you need to do is to become a fool and allow a manipulator to swing your life in accordance to his own sweet will.

    In this way you will become spiritual and grow. Also no questions can be asked you see.
    >> Already answered

    To be precise this is what we are fighting blind faith harms, if people are not able to question they will not know. Remember faith must follow logic and reasoning, it simply cannot precede it, this will only make SRCM zombies. Nothing else. We want to change this concept of blind faith we want people to be strong enough so that they can question every illogical assumptions, and do not fall in traps of cults like these. Questioning is what we want.
    >> But who is forcing ..?
    Ram Chandras or PR has suggested or recommended wht has workd for them. They have drafted the entire journey, from A>Z. If today, i m 25 kg skinny zombie, and i read a book by Arnold Schwarzenegger, tht i could become like him, doesnt mean tht i start pumping 100s of Kgs weights frm tdy onwards. It goes in stages, and slowly only the muscles wld comeup. But if Arnold says,tht it has worked fr me, and if you follow me, u cld also become like me, doesnt mean tht i have blind faith in him. I wld first do wht he is asking me to do & then check if my muscles are growing or not, or if at all there is any change in me or not. If there are no changes, i wld go to another Arnold.
    Its upto us how much we want to follow, as faith is not something which would develp overnight. Its not mathematics also, tht if i prove 2+2=4, then i will trust and have faith in maths. Only when one realize that these Folks are talking something which is good for me, then i wont need any proof, i take them as our Guide or Guru, or Freind or Brother..or whtever. Till they are proven wrong, i wld atleast put efforts, give it a try, and flexible enough to listen, if not believe.

    Shas, few more from SV for your reading….
    We are always making this mistake in judging others; we are always inclined to think that our little mental universe is all that is; our ethics, our morality, our sense of duty, our sense of utility, are the only things that are worth having. I begin to understand the marvellous saying of Christ: "Judge not that ye be not judged." The more we learn, the more he find out how ignorant we are, how multiform and multi-sided is this mind of man. When I was a boy, I used to criticise the ascetic practices of my countrymen; great preachers in our own land have criticised them; the greatest man that was ever born, Buddha himself, criticised them. But all the same, as I am growing older, I feel that I have no right to judge. Sometimes I wish that, in spite of all their incongruities, I had one fragment of their power to do and suffer. Often I think that my judgment and my criticism do not proceed from any dislike of torture, but from sheer cowardice — because I cannot do it — I dare not do it.
    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_2/vol_2_frame.htm
    There are many who, though immersed in ignorance, yet, in the pride of their hearts, fancy they know everything, and not only do not stop there, but offer to take others on their shoulders; and thus the blind leading the blind, both fall into the ditch.

    — "Fools dwelling in darkness, wise in their own conceit, and puffed up with vain knowledge, go round and round staggering to and fro, like blind men led by the blind." — (Katha Up., I. ii. 5).

    The world is full of these. Every one wants to be a teacher, every beggar wants to make a gift of a million dollars! Just as these beggars are ridiculous, so are these teachers.

    MORE IMPORTANT
    The conditions necessary for the taught are purity, a real thirst after knowledge, and perseverance. No impure soul can be really religious. Purity in thought, speech, and act is absolutely necessary for any one to be religious. As to the thirst after knowledge, it is an old law that we all get whatever we want. None of us can get anything other than what we fix our hearts upon. To pant for religion truly is a very difficult thing, not at all so easy as we generally imagine. Hearing religious talks or reading religious books is no proof yet of a real want felt in the heart; there must be a continuous struggle, a constant fight, an unremitting grappling with our lower nature, till the higher want is actually felt and the victory is achieved. It is not a question of one or two days, of years, or of lives; the struggle may have to go on for hundreds of lifetimes. The success sometimes may come immediately, but we must be ready to wait patiently even for what may look like an infinite length of time. The student who sets out with such a spirit of perseverance will surely find success and realisation at last.

    10:41 AM
    Shashwat said...
    In response to your second post:-

    I have done that, they did not responded below is the copy of my mail sent to them.
    To: apdurai@srcm.org, nsreenivasan@srcm.org, santosh.sreenivasan@srcm.org, usbajpai@srcm.org, santosh@srcm.org, akbhatter@srcm.org
    Subject: Concerns and views about SRCM activies
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:04:15 IST
    Cc: meditation@umbc.edu, nac@ndb.vsnl.net.in, mumbainewsline@expressindia.com, mailbag@mid-day.com, mail@indiatvnews.com, toieditorial@timesgroup.com, letters@deccanherald.co.in, letters@thehindu.co.in, letters@tribuneindia.com
    Respected list,
    In refrence to your organisation named SRCM (www.srcm.org) i would like to express ……of yo unconditional appology.
    No cult can respond to such email, for them we are misguided. the untouchable etc etc
    >> You mean to say, you have never met PR…? Without meeting him, without spending enough time practicing SM, without testing it properly, you just sent a mail to few authorities (where PR is not even marked..), you decided to declare it crap & group of Zombies..?
    Hay, this is surprising !!
    Considering the fact that we are talking abt something as serious as The Goal , I thought that you would have spent atleast 6 months to test the system and the Guide( if not 5-6 yrs), and after you found that system and the claims are not upto your satisfaction that you would have decided to call the day.
    Anyways, this may b the last few thoughts frm my side, as I don’t want to waste your time in any further discussion. Let me share with you that there was special reference of SV in all the abve.He & His teachings have influenced me and my approach to great extent. Before coming to SM, I would have gone to many sects, Missions (including SRKM), but as you mentioned “Test before you hire”, i cld never get satisfaction. With due respect to those teachers and the ways,who are trying in their own ways, I never found wht I was looking for. Because of the influence of SV, I wld never accept the system nor the Guide. But tested it for almost 3 yrs, and checked the following –
    1. Are they forcing me to donate money?
    2. Are these folks using any hypnotic powers? Is Pranahuti/transmission real or just a gimmick?
    3. Is Mr PR accessible or is he surrounded always and hiding himself?
    4. Am I changing? My behaviour and attitude towards my self, my family, my society, my country, and my fellow human beings? Am I becoming better or worse?
    5. Do I experience anything during the meditation sessions etc?
    6. Am I forced to buy the literature, and other stuff related to Mission?
    7. Are they interfering in my personal-life?
    Till date in these 14 yrs, there was not even a single attempt to enter in my territory.
    The proof of pudding is in eating and not in discussing, debating, producing legal docs, and proving. Legal docs are nothing but piece of tissue-papers fr me, if i m nt getting wht i come for."Dead Gurus Can't Kick Ass but the living one can."

    And finally before I say bye to you, something frm PR “It depends on you! Sahaj Marg offers, you take. Sahaj Marg guides, you move towards the destination. The Guru leads, you follow. If these three things are there, the Goal will surely be reached in this lifetime.” So, its upto me, Guru will not carry me in the pouch like kangaroo, he can only act as catalyst to accelerate the process ! Only self can help to realize the Self.
    My sincere regret if I have hurt you anywhere, and my best wishes to you in your search for the True Guru who could lead you to the Final Destination. It was wonderful discussing with you, and let me thank you for your time and opprty.
    With Regards
    Sanjiv

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  41. Hay Shashwat,
    You forced me to get in again, though i was nt intending to. More and more you speak, more and more you show your maturity level and understanding of this subject.

    Nobody has suggested me to shun my kid and wife, and be self-centred monster, or when i m quoting SV's eg, tht i m trying to encourage escapism. Its highly criminal, immoral, unethical..forget spiritual. The point here is the importance of Spirituality in our lives. How much importance does it have?Or we are just limiting ourselves calling others Zombies and craps, and assuming that we are doing great service to mankind??
    i m not here to criticize ,We are not in War. You are victorious, if it helps you, in anyways.

    Pls do read Complete Works of Swami Vivenkanda completely, and use your heart.

    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_8/vol_8_frame.htm
    (Chapter My Life and Mission, in the Lecture & Discourses)
    "Then came a terrible time — for me personally and for all the other boys as well. But to me came such misfortune! On the one side was my mother, my brothers. My father died at that time, and we were left poor. Oh, very poor, almost starving all the time! I was the only hope of the family, the only one who could do anything to help them. I had to stand between my two worlds. On the one hand, I would have to see my mother and brothers starve unto death; on the other, I had believed that this man's ideas were for the good of India and the world, and had to be preached and worked out. And so the fight went on in my mind for days and months. Sometimes I would pray for five or six days and nights together without stopping. Oh, the agony of those days! I was living in hell! The natural affections of my boy's heart drawing me to my family — I could not bear to see those who were the nearest and dearest to me suffering. On the other hand, nobody to sympathise with me. Who would sympathise with the imaginations of a boy — imaginations that caused so much suffering to others? Who would sympathise with me? None — except one."
    "Well, that lady, his wife, was the only one who sympathised with the idea of those boys. But she was powerless. She was poorer than we were. Never mind! We plunged into the breach. I believed, as I was living, that these ideas were going to rationalise India and bring better days to many lands and foreign races. With that belief, came the realisation that it is better that a few persons suffer than that such ideas should die out of the world. What if a mother or two brothers die? It is a sacrifice. Let it be done. No great thing can be done without sacrifice. The heart must be plucked out and the bleeding heart placed upon the altar. Then great things are done. Is there any other way? None have found it. I appeal to each one of you, to those who have accomplished any great thing. Oh, how much it has cost! What agony! What torture! What terrible suffering is behind every deed of success in every life! You know that, all of you.

    And thus we went on, that band of boys. The only thing we got from those around us was a kick and a curse — that was all. Of course, we had to beg from door to door for our food: got hips and haws — the refuse of everything — a piece of bread here and there. We got hold of a broken-down old house, with hissing cobras living underneath; and because that was the cheapest, we went into that house and lived there."
    Repeating again, the above is only to suggest the seriousness of Spirituality and the importance it has in our life. Now, was SV representing Devil?

    Hope now you understand that we are talking abt something which is really serious and not "my point is right, and you are wrong" that "my PR is great and Shashwat is wrong".

    Shashwat says...
    This is about sahaj margs concept of not to meditate on those things which one likes to get rid off.

    >> My freind, repeating again, that Meditation or Raja Yoga is not SM's property. Meditation simply means "‘to think of an object continuously’(Refer Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama,and Patanjali's Yoga Sutra)

    Sahaj Marg prescribes ‘meditation on the divine light in the heart’. The Upanishads, which form the end, and the most important part of the Vedas, also opine the same.

    The Katha Upanishad (4.13) (belonging to the Yajur Veda) says: “The Self, the lord of the past and the future, is like a light without smoke; he is verily the same today and tomorrow”.

    The Mundaka Upanishad (III.1.5.) (Belonging to the Atharva Veda) says: “When the impurities dwindle, the ascetics or the self-controlled, behold Him – stainless, resplendent within the body”.

    The Mahanarayana Upanishad (II.7) (of the Yajur Veda) says : ‘we meditate upon Him, the limitless, the changeless, the seer, the end aim of the ocean of existence, the source of all Bliss in the heart, which is like a lotus bud”.

    The Svetasvatara Upanishad (4.17) (also of the Yajur Veda) says: “the divinity who created the universe and who pervades everything always dwells in the hearts of the creatures. Those realize him become immortal”.

    Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita (18.61), “the lord is seated in the hearts of all the beings”.

    If i m getting distracted by Catherine Zeta Jones or Jennifer Lopez doesnt mean that i start meditating on them.

    They say, keep thinking of the Divine Light, and dont pay attention to the disturbing thoughts.Treat them as uninvited guests or barking dogs and they will go away.

    Hope this clarifies.

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  42. Pls note that the approach was POSITIVE, INQUISITIVE, OF A TRUE SEEKER, WHO HAD PAIIENCE TO TEST THE OLD MAN FOR 5-6 YRS….
    Before Him, SV met dozens of other priests/saints/preachers, and no body could answer his simple questions to his satisfaction….but that didn’t mean that he started calling others ‘craps’…Why? I think that there was sincere & honest inner urge to find the One who could guide him to the highest. The focus was Spirituality, the objective was the Highest.


    If the objective is not as mentioned above, then I think, people are free to call anybody crap/zombies etc. There were many who used to call Shri Ramkrishna ‘mentally-challenged’ & mad. Lord Krishna was called ‘womanizer’ by many.


    Ok as we proceed you are able to adjust, that’s good sign. What you are saying here is sign of ignorance of highest order, if you are not aware kindly allow me to inform you about another cult named “Havens faith cult” they say if you commit mass suicide then there will be a heavenly vehicle coming down from heaven with Christ himself sitting there and it will take you to heaven. Now those who oppose this sort of faith also do not highest objective? Who do u feel get trapped in these cults like SRCM heaven faith etc ? people like you who are not able to see things in proper light, they are always exposed to only the half part similar to “Ashwasthama maro” they are not exposed to the truth which follow’s it “Naro na kungro” similar to what “have faith in guru” hiding the fact, “guru must genuine” .

    From this post you have begin to talk sense at least you have informed us about your name hence I am able to know that you are Indian that will allow me to communicate in concepts that you understand better.



    Shashwat says....
    Moreover if we can come out of dreams and look at the reality you will find that SV was born in a well to do family pls read the first chapter itself you will find this

    “The Datta family of Calcutta, into which Narendranath had been born, was ……. was versed in English and Persian literature”
    Who told you that his family had nothing to eat ? is this also a message from brighter world ?

    Not at all my dear brother Shashwat. It’s the fact,documented history, which I thought you would know. Wht you say is absolutely right, but then that’s only the half truth. Read for yourself

    Probably you missed my next post.




    My Mission –(talk given by SV)
    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_8/vol_8_frame.htm
    This is the most touching,and conveys whts the meaning of spiritual commitment, tht thr are duties beyond our own superficial and selfish existence.The people frm West may call it foolishness, but then this is the tradition of this Land.

    Yes this is true, for whom ? did u cared to ask? probably you would like to read the concept of Karma Yoga for a householder his family comes first, his wife and children are his responsibility, and there simply cannot be any sort of compromise between domestic responsibility and any selfish work, remember the concept of “balance” in SRCM between family life and mission work ? since you are not aware allow me to put forward same teaching of that jerk as what SM propagates there is only three concept in SM namely Master Mission and Method. This is the only way according to SM, one must love master completely, this is a forced love when the person himself says that you all must love me this exposes everything, one need not say that you need to love me, if you are eligible then love will come automatically, but incase of SRCM you will find that jerk always saying that you all must love me.. don’t believe here is the proof:-

    “Now, the best one—of course the one who serves the Master is the best, because you are always close; you learn something. Meditation is best next. And Mission—after all, what is a Mission? It’s an organisation. First, love the Master.”

    You will be surprised that all the post that we use as reference are removed as soon as they appear on our site, also you must remember that according to SRCM policy no-one is allowed to discuss anything about SRCM as all material is copyright …. This group claims to be spiritual remember.

    For a householder there is no need to love master or work for mission or follow any method, if that person is fully dedicated towards his duty he will attain same stage which a yogi attains after rigorous meditation in isolation. Its absolutely the same, if you are a normal person then this hint is enough for you to understand the areas where this cult is causing harm. If it is not then it will become clear to you in due course of time, or if you can read my site properly from top to bottom. Why I do not wish to elaborate more on concepts of Karma yoga or teachings of SV is only because this is not the intention of this site, here we are going to discuss SRCM and its cultic mind controlling method.





    Shashwat says....
    This is another dream or a message from the brighter world, pls read this you can find this info free of charge on internet (you don’t have to pay USD 250 !!!!)


    >> Even you don’t have to pay USD250 to read these messages frm BW….its avble on the net.

    Hey, it is not available on net, it come in email once message at a time in PDF format, if you want a full message that you will have to spend 250$, well just for information have these message’s from brighter world stopped to come ? or all available message’s are over? That it has been now compiled in a book and sold ? what about those message which have not yet come?

    You are talking about Hindu religion a lot, but understand this is fake, you have absolutely failed to understand SRCM, this is a copy of Islam, remember Quran is also messages from brighter world, these are psychic people, another man in similar situation had caused a great harm to humanity that still there is bloodshed going on. Quran says kill those who do not believe in your faith (Al-nisha Sura -92) and this is a message from Allah, similar to what is this concept of what you call as brighter world, same Quran says that women’s captured after war are your property, since you don’t understand this is a psychological problem and this can be treated, ask Chari to consult a doctor he will become normal again. This is just illusionary a pseudo things which one believes to be true but they don’t exist otherwise.




    I agree & disagree with you. We should hire Guru after we test him to our satisfaction. It may take time, but then its worth. But unless we follow the prescription suggested by Doc, how wld we know if the Doc is capable or not. Logical questioning shld go along with the practice.

    This is what stupidity is, why not check the reference? Is SRCM practice hidden? Can anyone agree to what is said in SRCM at first sight? That you will have become a completely dedicated to mission, master takes all places in your life, remember SRCM outside says that its method are for householder’s which is simply the biggest lie, it is dead against the healthy family life, those who are preceptor’s there family members are the most who are suffering, it is obvious that if you take time out from what is suppose to be with family then u r disrupting the ur daily life, just see comments of those whose husband is involved in SRCM as preceptor, on micheal’s blog, you will understand the harm SRCM is causing.



    Shashwat says...
    You tend to forget the very purpose of your visit here, I can understand that you are not focused allow me to remind you once again that you have not come here to discuss SV or RK, but you have come here discuss a crap called P.R it would be nice for you incase you are able to focus urself on discussion about SRCM and do not drift it to discussion about SV, here I am not going to comment on your dreams or an unknown brighter world, does it makes any sense to you why I want to discuss SRCM and not SV ? coz purpose of this site is not to spread the teachings of SV but to warn people of danger and threat presented by this cult called SRCMtm (California based Chari group).


    Since you are drifting from your said agenda allow me to put forward one teaching of your divine master

    Shashwat, I m only going by your approach of logic before faith.
    Spirituality is not exclusive property of SV or PR or RK or Krishna or Buddha or Jesus….…it’s the birth right of every human being. SV or others spoke the Truth, which is independent of the individuals. Individuals are incidental. They are not talking something which has not been spoken before, or all of us do not know. If Dog had spoken these words, would have equal importance. But I found you having some respect for SV, so took your points, and only helped to make you realize that there is a possibility of our being not knwing the complete facts.

    Now I have serious doubts about your mental capacity, how many times do I need to repeat that this site is not to propagate spirituality neither it is intended to spread SV’s teachings the sole purpose of this site is to inform people about dangers and harm caused this cult group called SRCM. So that people can rethink their association and come to conclusion after a series of questions and are able to participate in open debates, express their feeling and get responses.


    You agreed with me tht both Ramchandras were stupids, as they were preaching Sahaj Marg when they had nothing to eat. And I proved that even SV was also not more than a beggar before his Chicago address.
    You said, only self is enough, and you don’t need any so called Guru to reach the Goal. I only showed you wht SV had to say about the Living Guide.


    Here you contradicted your ownself, also you must notice one point that SRC from fatehgargh was not involved in sahaj marg, this concept is result of babuji’s dreams, lalaji has nothing to do with sahaj marg per se.

    Now to you point about SV’s Chicago visit, there was a purpose behind that, he wanted to bring back something back to India, it was because of his love for his nation, incase of SM you will notice that purpose is to spread SM and nothing more, pls read some speeches made by Chari in france, one u can also find on my blog about freedom, I have answered there, pls read it once, then come back.



    So now we have to assume few things here.

    1. There are people who live for thousands of years.
    2. They meditated for thousands of years
    3. They told Mr Chari that they had failed
    4. Their method was also known to Mr Chari
    5. what happened to them after thousands of year is also known to Mr Chari.
    How do you serve a Guru?
    There is always some perspective, a reference with which the things are spoken. If the reference changes, the things do change.But it dosnt reduce or increase the importance of either, both are imp frm the respective references. Truth remains same. If i am at a ground level, i wld say, my house is big, and if i m at 2000 ft, i wld say tht my house is small. Both are right, and both are truth, only the reference and perspective are changed.



    To all logical question is this the only answer ? can you pls explain that prospective … lets discuss the prospective, who are those people who meditated for thousands of yrs ? in which prospective this statement is made, just to explain that serving master is more important then anything else ? so can we safely come to this conclusion that serving a jerk is more important then simple mediation everyday ? in what prospective this statement can become true pls explain this. Do u mean to say that to serve a guru you must not meditate ? is this not a big lie which is said just to manipulate people ? and you want to defend this stupid statement ?



    I can post many talks where they say that without Meditation nothing can be achieved, and Mission is of no importance. Its upto us to understand the perspective, and assimilate.In one of his talks, PR says - "Meditation is to induce not only external stillness but an inner stillness of the mind, which alone can take us to our goal."
    "When you sit in meditation, you must go deep; and when you go deep, nothing must awaken you. That is real meditation. And what is the great beauty of meditation? In the Gita, Lord Krishna says, "Dhyanaath karma phala tyaagam." It does not take you to heaven. If anybody says, you meditate and you go to heaven or brighter world, it is not correct. By dhyana, karma phala tyaagam-my karma phala [fruit of actions] is all washed away, and because I have no karma phala left in me, I have no punarjanma [rebirth]."


    Well probably you forgot that in SRCM meditation means sitting with some-1, one is not suppose to mediate alone, but with a preceptor, remember, now in presence of another person what is meant by going deeper and deeper ? now if we see we will find that to go deeper within urself you need another person.. correct ? if not then what is the use of a preceptor in meditation ? pls read my case study, while all cults use such names but their actual motive is hidden which is mind control, hence it become difficult for people to move away form such cults once infected. All cults in this world use such statements like mediation is needed etc etc, but if you see them with open eyes you will notice that their actual motive is control over people’s life.

    In SRCM meditation is sitting, which is not done alone, but this has to be done with some-1, in that persons house, do we need to depend on other’s for mediation ? can something as natural as meditation be driven from some-1 outside or it must be done alone with one’s own effort? Don’t you know what is meaning of mediation in SRCM context ? do u want me to explain that… pls read my blog once more you will find all your question’s answered.

    Now this can be because of two reasons one is either the person who is motivation other to become a zombie is himself a zombie and believes that this path is correct, he can be termed as ignorant person and can be forgiven, but there is another class of people who know that what they are doing is wrong and it causes only harm, these are selfish people, like this particular jerk Chari, he is knowingly destroying lives of people by forcing them to love him (only) remember master replaces mother father husband etc there is no place for anyone else in an abhyasis life other then this jerk.



    Perspective, my dear, perspective.
    When Doctor asks you to stop certain prescription...wht would u do? Would u say, "u only asked me to take these medicines, and now u r asking me to stop...? I wont.."
    Doc can only pray!!

    You have not yet explained that particular prospective. Who are those people who live for thousands of yrs if this statement is not true then is it not fooling people to believe in an stupid assumption ? pls explain the prospective here. Now when the doc. Is saying so because he know people who tried that medicine for thousands of yrs and have failed then what is the purpose of making that prescription at all ? does it means that meditation is only for those who live for thousands of yrs or it is for those who live shorter like 500yrs or so ? pls answer.







    Shashwat says...
    Once we agree to this then we can safely conclude that meditation etc are of no use as personal experience is not needed for spiritual progress, all you need to do is to become a fool and allow a manipulator to swing your life in accordance to his own sweet will.

    In this way you will become spiritual and grow. Also no questions can be asked you see.
    Already answered


    when where pls copy and paste that answer


    To be precise this is what we are fighting blind faith harms, if people are not able to question they will not know. Remember faith must follow logic and reasoning, it simply cannot precede it, this will only make SRCM zombies. Nothing else. We want to change this concept of blind faith we want people to be strong enough so that they can question every illogical assumptions, and do not fall in traps of cults like these. Questioning is what we want.

    But who is forcing ..?
    Master mission and method, people are forced to love master, how many times does chari makes this statement that people should love (master) him, or work for mission (his trade marg mission registered in California with HQ in Austin santosh takes all charge here, and has become quite wealthy now!!!! Surprised ? ) and must dedicate themselves to method which is nothing more then brainwashing,



    Ram Chandras or PR has suggested or recommended wht has workd for them. They have drafted the entire journey, from A>Z. If today, i m 25 kg skinny zombie, and i read a book by Arnold Schwarzenegger, tht i could become like him, doesnt mean tht i start pumping 100s of Kgs weights frm tdy onwards. It goes in stages, and slowly only the muscles wld comeup. But if Arnold says,tht it has worked fr me, and if you follow me, u cld also become like me, doesnt mean tht i have blind faith in him. I wld first do wht he is asking me to do & then check if my muscles are growing or not, or if at all there is any change in me or not. If there are no changes, i wld go to another Arnold.

    What is the proof that they are actually what they claim to be? How do we know that they have actually traveled and are not actually fooling others by saying that they have traveled , remember there are people who meditated for thousands of yrs and failed. There has to be some authenticity in what he claims himself to be.

    For Arnold it is evident, hence we can once believe him, but for Chari what is the proof ? other then he himself say’s so, and wants people to believe that without even questioning…, what is the proof that he is really enlightened, pls read my blog there you will find who should be accepted as a guru, if u disagree with that statement then prove that to be wrong,



    Its upto us how much we want to follow, as faith is not something which would develp overnight. Its not mathematics also, tht if i prove 2+2=4, then i will trust and have faith in maths. Only when one realize that these Folks are talking something which is good for me, then i wont need any proof, i take them as our Guide or Guru, or Freind or Brother..or whtever. Till they are proven wrong, i wld atleast put efforts, give it a try, and flexible enough to listen, if not believe.

    Hey but this is what is stated by Chari you should have faith first, correct… it seems you have not read my blog properly, this is what I am also saying, who is going to prove them wrong if no-one takes an initiative ? if you simply allow zombies to preach their non-sense then who is going to question and come to a conclusion, pls note SRCM is of the view that people should not discuss SRCM on open sites like orkut or yahoo groups etc. this is called mind control and is a trade mark of cult

    Shas, few more from SV for your reading….


    Again you are drifting, if you want to preach what SV has said pls start a blog of your own, this is not intention of my blog to spread what SV stated, I am content with my knowledge and do not want to preach anyone else other then my ownself, but in no case I will allow evil to grow, I will resist evil till I have any power left in me.




    10:41 AM
    Shashwat said...
    You mean to say, you have never met PR…? Without meeting him, without spending enough time practicing SM, without testing it properly, you just sent a mail to few authorities (where PR is not even marked..), you decided to declare it crap & group of Zombies..?
    Hay, this is surprising !!

    Really, does that surprise you, why do you keep forgetting your own statements so soon, faith must come before logic, why do you want to become a fool first then decide, what conclusion can you come to when you have already become a fool.

    Now to answer second part, how do you know, what I have done or not done ? how can u judge that, remember you only have posted that statement of SV that do not be judgmental, and here you have already decided that I have not tested properly. Surprised ?



    Considering the fact that we are talking abt something as serious as The Goal , I thought that you would have spent atleast 6 months to test the system and the Guide( if not 5-6 yrs), and after you found that system and the claims are not upto your satisfaction that you would have decided to call the day.
    Anyways, this may b the last few thoughts frm my side, as I don’t want to waste your time in any further
    discussion. Let me share with you that there was special reference of SV in all the abve.


    How can you decide how much time I have spent or not spent ? moreover even if I have not spent a single moment in this mind controlling cult, or maybe I have spent 7 yrs of my life in this mind controlling cult what difference does that makes to facts presented by me ? well if you can prove them wrong you have me, this is my first statement on my site.

    Most of those references of SV are from the brighter world with no authenticity, hence pls do not disregard SV name depending on your dreams. This is stupid beyond any comparison.




    He & His teachings have influenced me and my approach to great extent. Before coming to SM, I would have gone to many sects, Missions (including SRKM), but as you mentioned “Test before you hire”, i cld never get satisfaction. With due respect to those teachers and the ways,who are trying in their own ways, I never found wht I was looking for. Because of the influence of SV, I wld never accept the system nor the Guide. But tested it for almost 3 yrs, and checked the following –
    1. Are they forcing me to donate money?

    Pls visit the website, there is many donation forms available, last yrs Raipur birthday party was charged 300 Rs. There are book and CD sold, they are not for free, there are picture of Chari sold also, they are also not for free, this is how money is taken out from your pocket, and also there is direct donation available, that is taxable hence indirect which is not taxable is done, since you are under mind control hence you will not understand these tactic till you become free from their mind control and you are able to think freely.
    From where does all these money come? There are such huge birthday calibrations happening with all sort of activities going on from where the money is coming ? were you really not able to understand the methodology adopted by this cult to take money out from your pocket ? remember those messages from brighter world are sold @ 10,000 INR and 250USD French version is pre-sold this is how money is taken out. Hope you will understand these cultic behaviour.




    2. Are these folks using any hypnotic powers? Is Pranahuti/transmission real or just a gimmick?

    Two people sitting in a closed room . what is this how safe is this? This makes people more and more emotionally week makes then dependent on other’s and they loose their capacity to take independent decision’s pls read in wiki there is link on physical impediment , this is very very dangerous


    3. Is Mr PR accessible or is he surrounded always and hiding himself?
    Is he ? when I wanted to contact him I was not even provided his email ID, I tried to call him he refused to talk to me, not only me, you can have direct reference from micheal and chriestian about how accessible he is, or is he surrounded and hiding himself, pls read why he is unwell most of the time.

    4. Am I changing? My behaviour and attitude towards my self, my family, my society, my country, and my fellow human beings? Am I becoming better or worse?

    Is this not evident to you ? will you meet with same gratitude to an unknown person from SM and one who is not involved in this cult ? do you know why all these cults emphasis’ on calling all members are brother and sister’s even when they are not related to each other ? you will get your answer, just observe from an nutral POV


    5. Do I experience anything during the meditation sessions etc?

    Pls read Christian’s blog and also experience provided as link in wiki

    6. Am I forced to buy the literature, and other stuff related to Mission?

    Have you not been able to understand ? just see how much literature and cassette and CD you have in your home also read the recent speech of that jerk publish on his website where he is selling his long talks, I will reproduce here for the benefit of all. This is what is called mind control, if people know they will reject immediatly hence without people knowledge this selling is forced.


    Quote….
    Abhyasi: Master, you have been investing a lot of time in making these recordings. I thought it would be helpful for abhyasis if you could give an introduction to this, nearly, twenty-hour set that we have recorded

    Master: So, that is the way in which, you know, I was brought to this series of talks. I can’t say I felt like speaking; it happened, you see, out of inexpressible inner need to say something from my conviction after a forty-year life of spiritual practice and endeavour under the umbrella of my Master—my Master and His teachings and His grace and His love and His protection, to sort of reassure people that these will always be with you.
    So these talks are sort of set there before you, to remind you, you know. In a moment of need somebody may be tempted or impelled to take out one of the disks and play it, and something may come from that which may reactivate. Because, you know, teachings are like the matches in a matchbox
    So I wish all my sisters and brothers that they will keep these as a set of matches. You know, even in modern five-star hotels, even in America where power-failure is almost unknown, you generally find a candle and a match box in a drawer of the dressing table; perchance there will be darkness, and you will need light.
    So I think that is all that I have to say about this question
    …Unquote…


    7. Are they interfering in my personal-life?

    Where you unaware about the concept of creating a balance? Now if you are able to think pls understand that you cannot create a balance without creating a division, hence first condition of balance is division, so you will have to divide your personal (material, family society etc) life with spiritual (master mission and method) life, hence you keep on creating a drift, what would you call this ? is this not direct interference ? why cannot you make you personal life spiritual itself why to create a difference just to create a balance ? Hope your question are answered now. Ask again keeping in mind what I have stated above



    Till date in these 14 yrs, there was not even a single attempt to enter in my territory.
    The proof of pudding is in eating and not in discussing, debating, producing legal docs, and proving. Legal docs are nothing but piece of tissue-papers fr me, if i m nt getting wht i come for."Dead Gurus Can't Kick Ass but the living one can."

    Really ? then why does SRCMtm (California based chari group) keep on fighting legal battle? Even when they lost case why they approached higher courts ? for example take the case of sahajmarg.org domain itself, why they care so much about this toilet paper of your’s ?



    And finally before I say bye to you, something frm PR “It depends on you! Sahaj Marg offers, you take. Sahaj Marg guides, you move towards the destination. The Guru leads, you follow. If these three things are there, the Goal will surely be reached in this lifetime.” So, its upto me, Guru will not carry me in the pouch like kangaroo, he can only act as catalyst to accelerate the process ! Only self can help to realize the Self.
    My sincere regret if I have hurt you anywhere, and my best wishes to you in your search for the True Guru who could lead you to the Final Destination. It was wonderful discussing with you, and let me thank you for your time and opprty.


    What is Sahaj marg ? he did not care to explain that sitting with preceptor is called meditation, attaining birthday part is called growth ? this is what SM is a cult of C grade.



    With Regards
    Sanjiv

    I will be traveling for sometime hence will respond to your second post later.

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  43. All,

    I fear we are getting into personal assaults, and sarcastic insults as opposed to having an actual debate or dialog. I am also somewhat amused that some SRCM members choose to criticize the contents of my blog in remote comment pages such as this where my words cannot be cross referenced. They have not even the courtesy to include the link to my blog for reference which makes their motives appear to be nothing other than an attack against my character without any substance.

    So for reference of anyone who chooses to read it, my blog is: innercircleofsrcm.blogspot.com

    I'd like to make a couple of points in my defense:

    1. I do not judge Chari, Babuji or Lalaji as individuals, nor do I question their spiritual approach, but it is within my rights as a thinking human being to have opinions about their actions and the results of their actions. It is also my human birthright to choose who I should trust and obey based on my own discrimination. I should be free to explain to others how I came to choose whom I trust and obey and whom I do not and why.

    2. I make no claims to my own spiritual approach, however not claiming to be a Master or in the "Central Region" does not negate the validity of my arguments.

    3. I reinforce this by encouraging all who comment on my blog that their experiences and personal analysis and opinions are valid and worth considering. I discourage comments that are not based on personal experiences and simply reiterate SRCM doctrine without thoughtful analysis.

    4. I have striven to provide only verifiable facts on my blog that I can reference or have directly experienced. I've also clearly identified where comments are my analysis and opinion and base them on facts not myths or hearsay.

    5. There is no intention to convince people in SRCM to leave. I state this from the beginning of my blog and repeat it throughout. My objective is to simply to state the facts and clear the air with regards to my experiences and departure from SRCM for others to make their own conclusions. This has obviously caused a problem within SRCM as evidenced by the personal attacks on me and my character.


    I have worked hard to make my points with truthfulness, and integrity. I may have angered some by being a little too critical of their comments, and I apologize for any hurt feelings. In every instance, however, I have striven to abide by what I have outlined above.

    Since many commenting here will likely not take the time to actually read my Blog in detail yet use its title as a basis for sarcastic conclusions, I'll make my key points here. I'll keep them simple:

    1. In the late 70s SRCM was presented as a light organizational structure established to provide spiritual training.

    2. Training was offered for free. Books were few and very affordable. The practice was practical for a typical householder with a family and career. The practice was not marketed to the community, but was simply made available, by word of mouth, to those interested. There was no urgent need to grow numbers. Quality not quantity was the motto. The Guru was a friend and a guide, not one who was worshiped. Meditation was taught out of the homes of preceptors and disciples. Discrimination of what is right and wrong was supposed to be developed as part of the practice. Gatherings were done in rented halls and peoples homes. These were the principles in which attracted myself and many others at that time.

    3. As one got more involved, one discovered that SRCM claimed to provide exclusive access to higher reaches of development. In other words, no other system could compare. The Master was deemed as the highest living evolved Master and it was eluded to that he might be "the special personality" sent to this world to do divine tasks and we were fortunate to be associated with such a person.

    4. Rancor existed between senior preceptors during Babuji's days. There was a major rift between P. Rajagopalachari and several other senior members as well as Babuji's sons. This rancor only continued in Babuji's death.

    5. As SRCM evolved, meditation training and gatherings required purchased property by SRCM. Disciples were constantly expected to purchase expensive books and book subscriptions. The Organization itself became an entity that one must serve and be obedient to.

    6. Unquestioning obedience became expected of every disciple. The concept of developing Discrimination appears to have been eliminated, apparently as this goes counter to unquestioning obedience and implies that such obedience must be earned out of the discrimination of the disciple not demanded by the Master. Not only had obedience to the Master become something demanded but now obedience to the Mission was added as a critical element to the practice. Disciples are regularly criticized for not being sufficiently obedient and unquestioning of the Master and the Mission as evidenced by several published talks by PR, many of which have conveniently been removed from their websites after dissenters such as myself referenced them in our blogs.

    7. An Inner Circle is a necessary tool for any hierarchical organization. It can be used to establish order and protect the integrity of an organization. Conversely it can become a manipulative power structure to control and manipulate members of the organization. My blog discusses this in detail as it applies to spiritual AND secular organizations. I also indicate what I believe are key characteristics of a power based Inner Circle from my own personal experience in spirituality and business.

    8. The SRCM organization has broken into at least three splinter groups. Accusations of poisonings and even murder have been exchanged between PRs SRCM and the primary opposing splinter group run by Babuji's family. There continues to be a legal battle over who owns the Emblem, the SRCM moniker, and the property. This indicates that there is something of value and/or power contained in controlling these things.

    9. My thesis is that the drifting from the basic principles occurred over the years due to the insistence on creating an exclusive organization, claiming exclusive access to the highest level of human attainment, requiring access to an single living man, no other, to get you there. Out of this grew a culture of power and control. Wealth was created from this power over the years and, as a result, many fight over control of the power and wealth that has grown since the SRCM inception.

    10. I would argue that unless SRCM returns to these basic principles and eliminate the concept of exclusivity, these problems will continue. I reference the Yogic and Sufi traditions from which SRCM was derived, and note that they have avoided these downfalls for centuries by avoiding establishment of exclusivity in the Master, Organization or Methods used to train aspirants.


    If we want to have a constructive conversation, lets discuss these points. Unfortunately, it appears that the only method to debate these facts and opinions is to insult the one presenting them with degrading, uninformed and sarcastic comments. I will maintain my points and respect opposing points and arguments.

    This is a public record, and those who choose to attack dissenting opinions by insulting their character or implying spiritual inadequacy will not stand up to public scrutiny, and I see little point in responding directly beyond what I have done here.

    Michael

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  44. Here is my response for your second post.




    Hay Shashwat,
    You forced me to get in again, though i was nt intending to. More and more you speak, more and more you show your maturity level and understanding of this subject.


    From your POV yes it does tells you something more, from NPOV whatever I have to say I have already stated in my blog, if you have forgotten by any chance, let me remind you that you came here to prove my site wrong, and not preach Gita or Upnishad.



    Nobody has suggested me to shun my kid and wife, and be self-centred monster, or when i m quoting SV's eg, tht i m trying to encourage escapism. Its highly criminal, immoral, unethical..forget spiritual.

    Pls try and recall, “Master (Mr Chari) takes all place in abhyasis life, mother father husband doctor etc etc, infact there is no place which master (Mr Chari) does not take” now this is what I call “highly criminal, immoral, unethical..forget spiritual”


    The point here is the importance of Spirituality in our lives. How much importance does it have?Or we are just limiting ourselves calling others Zombies and craps, and assuming that we are doing great service to mankind??

    Why is spirituality different from our normal life, for a householder his family is his spirituality there is no need for any other mode of worship, if a householder completes his duty with complete devotion and knowledge, he reaches the same place which a yogi in forest reaches after hard meditation. Pls refer to Karma yoga if you please.

    i m not here to criticize ,We are not in War. You are victorious, if it helps you, in anyways.

    We both are Indian we both love our country and we both have feeling for those who are in pain, only difference is in how we perceive things, you feel joining a cult, buying its dogma and attaining birthday bash helps and I feel just the oppose. This is not war but just exchange of view’s, you get what you deserve nothing more nothing less


    Pls do read Complete Works of Swami Vivenkanda completely, and use your heart.

    Once again I am not here to discuss gr8ness of SV. You can provide reference but do not base your discussion on SV, pls provide some quotes fof SV from your brighter world probably that we can discuss.



    http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_8/vol_8_frame.htm
    (Chapter My Life and Mission, in the Lecture & Discourses)
    "Then came a terrible time — for me personally and for all the other boys as well. But to me came such misfortune! On the one side was my mother, my brothers. My father died at that time, and we were left poor. Oh, very poor, almost starving all the time! I was the only hope of the family, the only one who could do anything to help them. I had to stand between my two worlds. On the one hand, I would have to see my mother and brothers starve unto death; on the other, I had believed that this man's ideas were for the good of India and the world, and had to be preached and worked out. And so the fight went on in my mind for days and months. Sometimes I would pray for five or six days and nights together without stopping. Oh, the agony of those days! I was living in hell! The natural affections of my boy's heart drawing me to my family — I could not bear to see those who were the nearest and dearest to me suffering. On the other hand, nobody to sympathise with me. Who would sympathise with the imaginations of a boy — imaginations that caused so much suffering to others? Who would sympathise with me? None — except one."
    "Well, that lady, his wife, was the only one who sympathised with the idea of those boys. But she was powerless. She was poorer than we were. Never mind! We plunged into the breach. I believed, as I was living, that these ideas were going to rationalise India and bring better days to many lands and foreign races. With that belief, came the realisation that it is better that a few persons suffer than that such ideas should die out of the world. What if a mother or two brothers die? It is a sacrifice. Let it be done. No great thing can be done without sacrifice. The heart must be plucked out and the bleeding heart placed upon the altar. Then great things are done. Is there any other way? None have found it. I appeal to each one of you, to those who have accomplished any great thing. Oh, how much it has cost! What agony! What torture! What terrible suffering is behind every deed of success in every life! You know that, all of you.

    And thus we went on, that band of boys. The only thing we got from those around us was a kick and a curse — that was all. Of course, we had to beg from door to door for our food: got hips and haws — the refuse of everything — a piece of bread here and there. We got hold of a broken-down old house, with hissing cobras living underneath; and because that was the cheapest, we went into that house and lived there."
    Repeating again, the above is only to suggest the seriousness of Spirituality and the importance it has in our life. Now, was SV representing Devil?


    SV or any other enlighten person of past have never propagated the same concept for everyone, When they are talking to householder they tells them the path which is perfect for them, when they are talking to Raja Yogi’s they tell them the path perfect to them, they never say same coat fits jack jhon and jill, but if you are not aware pls read what SRCM chari group website has to say. Sahaj marg for everyone, unmarried young girls to divorced ladies, all will be accommodated inside the group and will be married to one of their spiritual brother. This is what is Sahaj Marg, how can you even compare PR with SV, this itself is ridicules, and this is how PR represents the DEVIL



    Hope now you understand that we are talking abt something which is really serious and not "my point is right, and you are wrong" that "my PR is great and Shashwat is wrong".

    Unfortunately this is the fact, the purpose of your visit is to prove me wrong and somehow show that PR is gr8, which is simply not possible, I am not gr8, nor spiritual nor have I realized God, just that I know, fulfilling my duty towards my family and society at large is good enough spirituality for me, and there is no need for regular sitting with another person, even if my family is not supporting, nor do I feel that there is any need for birthday bash from an non-profit NGO, working to help the poor officially.

    Here I would like to make one point clear, which I had requested in my second mail to SRCM officials, that they must effectively discourage any single partner practicing this cultic method, this is one of the main concern if you are able to observe. Family members of those who are involved are main source of criticism for all cults, the reason is because of the control they desire on life of people, the cult groups are unable to make sure that there is no disconnect in family life of its adherents, this exposes their selfish nature, If they are not selfish they would make it compulsory that

    1. Unmarried women’s/girls are not entertained in their birthday bash.
    2. Single partners are effectively discouraged from participating and buying books and CD;s etc
    3. Nobody should be forced to induce their spouse or family members in this cult.
    4. It should be conveyed to people that their first responsibility is family and society, master mission and method should come after their primary responsibility if it has to come at all.
    5. No emotional manipulation, master mission or method must not interfere in personal life of people.
    6. There is no need for dedication for mission or love for master or following method if there are any emotional disturbance in life of people.



    Shashwat says...
    This is about sahaj margs concept of not to meditate on those things which one likes to get rid off.

    My freind, repeating again, that Meditation or Raja Yoga is not SM's property. Meditation simply means "‘to think of an object continuously’(Refer Hatha Yoga Pradipika of Svatmarama,and Patanjali's Yoga Sutra)

    Pls read my page critical view on teachings of SRCM, your answer is present there.



    Sahaj Marg prescribes ‘meditation on the divine light in the heart’. The Upanishads, which form the end, and the most important part of the Vedas, also opine the same.

    what about divine light coming from Chari’s heart to abhyasis heart via preceptor’s heart ?

    The Katha Upanishad (4.13) (belonging to the Yajur Veda) says: “The Self, the lord of the past and the future, is like a light without smoke; he is verily the same today and tomorrow”.

    Point A, three fingers from “nipple“ and Point B the sexual organ, I have seen some preceptor’s pointing these points on a female abhyasis body, there everything was exposed to me. Now pls do not ask me names.



    The Mundaka Upanishad (III.1.5.) (Belonging to the Atharva Veda) says: “When the impurities dwindle, the ascetics or the self-controlled, behold Him – stainless, resplendent within the body”.

    pls remember in SRCM it is point A and point B. about body I can discuss at length but that is not the intention here.

    The Mahanarayana Upanishad (II.7) (of the Yajur Veda) says : ‘we meditate upon Him, the limitless, the changeless, the seer, the end aim of the ocean of existence, the source of all Bliss in the heart, which is like a lotus bud”.

    In SRCM it is Chari, pls remember master is divine


    The Svetasvatara Upanishad (4.17) (also of the Yajur Veda) says: “the divinity who created the universe and who pervades everything always dwells in the hearts of the creatures. Those realize him become immortal”.

    But incase of SRCM it is Master only who is the sole representative of divine.


    Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita (18.61), “the lord is seated in the hearts of all the beings”.

    there is no place where there is no lord. It is not trade mark of SRCM chari group, this is what I am trying to explain.

    If i m getting distracted by Catherine Zeta Jones or Jennifer Lopez doesnt mean that i start meditating on them.

    It does means that you should meditate on them, it does, in what sense do you think they are inferior then Chari ? it is same lord who is present in every object, why not mediate on the lord in Pamela Andersen lee ? in what sense she is different then any other women as far as spirituality is concerned, a true guru removes these identification from deeds and makes its disciples understand the world as is, all are same, it is same lord who is present in me you chari and in Andersen lee. It is same, it is really unfortunate that you wasted your 14 yrs of life in this pseudo group. Otherwise you would not have made this comment, I feel sorry for you.

    They say, keep thinking of the Divine Light, and dont pay attention to the disturbing thoughts.Treat them as uninvited guests or barking dogs and they will go away.

    A true harmony is achieved when your thoughts, words and action is in sync, you do what you say and you say what you think. This is harmony and this is what is called as balance, no struggle as uninvited guest and no fight for concentration, Dhayana is the most natural state for human mind, there must not be any struggle, pls keep in mind, the more you avoid more thoughts will come, become harmonious with your self first then start meditating.


    Hope this clarifies.
    Yes it has clarified a lot about SRCM, pls continue enlightening us more about this group.

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  45. Dear Shashwat,

    Tnx fr your mail, and i do agree with you.



    See we are not talking about lies and truth but from lower truth to higher truth.



    I will tell u one of the incidents happened very recently. Freind of mine, asked me to prove if Bhagwat Geeta was actually real... (Hhh..!!). He said, "The two armies were ready for battle, and infact Lord Krishna had moved the chariot of Arjuna to the front. All were ready, but when Arjuna looked at the opposite camp, he started shivering...and didnt want to fight" "There are abt 18-19 Chapters, and each chapter has more than 20 shlokas in each, making it total of abt 350 shlokas. If each shloka takes abt, 2 minutes time, it makes total of abt 700 minutes, which is more then 11 hrs, and here i m not including the time Arjuna spent in crying etc." "So, u mean to say that after ready fr the battle, both sides were waiting for 11 hrs, to allow Krishna to finish his Geeta...?"
    "This is all imagination of some poet, some philosopher, and as a matter of fact there were no Pandavas, or Kauravas, no Krishna. Its all epic, written by some great writer." He said.



    In order to understand this we need to understand the concept of time, there has been great research in india in past about this phenomenon called time, if u have noticed or not Don is also doing recearch on time, i personally know one swamiji from Shivananda Ashram in rishikesh, who has actually understood this concept, we only perceive time as we know, but time is altogather a different dimention, if we move on to space there is no time there... hence this hourly conversation of Krishna and arjun is indeed geniune, how ? to understand this we must first understand the planes that exist, there are 5 layers of human existance, as explained by Patanjali, the proof ? that is also explained, direct preception, the dreams, feeling and emotions etc, that will explain the existance,

    the pranayam is the method of controlling this vibration level, our will power is directly associated with this vibration of prana. now what is prana ? if u understand pranayam you will find that yogi, controles his/her breathing, breath that we take in and out is not prana but the force which makes our lungs move is prana, this to-fro motion if controlled we can control the force which makes this motion, hence when we are able to control this level of vibration we can move to any level of vibration of our choice, and this is why the first 4 principles of Raja yoga is must before you start with next four, they are Yama, Niyam, Asana and pratyahar, once perfect in this yogi can move to next that is pranayam, dhyana Dharna and samadhi.

    The communication of Krishna and Arjuna is on that vibration level where time dimention is different, which we don't know yet. What is time for us after all, as we understand the quartz quantom vibrating 16500K times becomes one second!!! there are more dimentions of life then what we know currently.






    Now, wht wld u expect me to tell him...? Logically, he was absolutely right, and there was no way, i cld prove the genuinity of Lord...or Geeta. I cld only look at him and kept my mouth shut. The only thing which i said was, 'hw does it matter to you, if Mahabharata happened or not, or hw the whole Geeta was conveyed to Arjuna. How does the time and dates matter to me, tht at wht time did it start, wht was the day etc etc, and who was recording the episodes, when Krishna was delivering it....?" "It has helped many who were more interested in the lessons, and the essence of the Bhagwat and not those statistics."

    why do we need to take things as logical or illogical till we don't know, accept that you don't know and just have blind faith... if you want the answer's search for it, ask, don't be a fool and accept everything as is, that is very very dangerous. pls keep this is mind, knowledge does not comes from ignorence, it can only come from knowledge.









    So, after going through all these blogs, where there is enough spoken based on the personal experiences, i dont doubt the experiences they had. They are right, they wld have suffered, and its always so painful.
    But there is always way with dignity where we disagree and caution others, if we sincerely feels that its BAD.
    We substantiate our experience with solid evidences, which no one cld doubt at. I am not surprised when Jamaican police is taking so much of time in Woolmer's case, collecting evidences, and want to come out with the names of the culprits, when they are more then sure, that they can prove it.


    what makes you feel that experience gained by these people is not authentic ? if you feel that their experience is authentic then agree that this group is fake.





    SRCM was not the first place, before tht i was closely associated with SRKM, and was almost on the verge of taking Sanyasa. But then (again its my experience, with due regards to the SRKMission), i found the place another temple. In place of Krishna or Rama, they have SV, or SRK or Maa Sarda. They worship, offer pujas, and are happy with tht. Thats why u wld find my affair with SV. But reading SV helped me in 'n' no of ways. It helped me in developing certain attitude which primarily was not to believe others in this matter(even if its your Guide) unless you yourself experience it. I still read him a lot, and have comprehensive collections of his literature.


    did u tried to visit mayawati ? pls visit there, SV removed picture of RK from that mutth as he was the one who preached adwaita, non-dual, there cannot be more then one God, and that God is present in everyone, we also need some logic to understand this, again blind faith will lead to groups like SRCM only. where Master (Mr Chari) is the sole representative of divine for this humanity... this is not only stupid but also funny










    I was doing my Engg, when i joined SRCM. I was more then careful, as u know, in India, you throw stone, and for sure, it wld hit one of these Gurus. Like wht happens in any other organization, where u hv grp of people frm different backgrounds, i wld hv met many who wld talk utter non-sense, absolute liars( when u dont realize it, and u talk abt it, its only lies), there are many who are "power-hungry", there are who wld talk abt the "miracles", those who wld talk abt the "Powers", the people with multiple-standards, hyprocrites, and may b corrupt.....


    where do u find SRCM different from all this ? as they not power hungry ? why court cases then ? when they lost sahagmarg.org domain battle in regulatory authority they approached verginia high court, the person who was involved directly has given his testomonial on micheals blog, pls read that, you will find this hidden truth about SRCM, and you will come to know that all atribute of coruption is present there as well, just like all others you experienced.







    Its like any other imperfect place, and i am not ashamed when i accept it. End of the day, its a part & reflection of our society, country and humanity in general, which is suffering frm all the mentioned diseases. In hospital, we wont find the healthy ones.

    So, i chose to test it thoroughly, and more then Mission(which is nothing but an administrative orgz) or Method (which is nothing but set of exercises, which helps u in gaining certain competencies), test , the Master, the Guide.

    I dont deny any of the points mentioned by you. But then i decided not to get entrapped in any emotions, and i told one of the instructors very bluntly, "pls do not try to force your thoughts, your thinking on me. I wld accept it when i understand it. i respect you but then keep your thoughts and theories with you." I borrowed books frm these instructors, and had them with me fr almost 3 yrs. I read the theoretical part, and the logic behind each of the component of the Practice(Method). Now, the Master, the Guide. As mentioned, i was dead adamant on not accepting any non-sense frm anybody...i observed him fr almost 3 yrs, before accepting him as Guide. Till then, i was only doing the Practice. I was in hostel, and u know the environment of hostels (esply in N.India) , i wld get up at 430AM, meditate fr an hour which anyways helped me in improving concentration. No lights, camera & actions...i just read the instructions given in the basic books of SM.



    pls allow me to be bold, while in hostels sprituality cannot be understood, or even in normal life, for sprituality to grow, suffering is must, pain is most important content of truth, for normal people like us, we will not understand anything till we do not want to understand, you need to be very careful while u try to understand what i want to say here, coz there are no words to express it in my knowledge, only this much that when in storm in our life, we see a light glowing, that is our own experience, and only that can take us to what is called as sprituality, nothing more nothing less.

    It is not that you read some crap and accept it, and do a mental gymnastic's, that is also as fake as SRCM is.





    I was practising it, and i was amazed when for the first time i felt tht 'transmission', which is called 'pranahuti'. it was something which was felt 'somewhere' .Slowly with the practice, the meditation was also becoming deeper and deeper. When i come out of it, i wld feel fresh. I wont need any discussion or proof on this, as i was 'feeling' it. So, one of the facts was proven, tht there is something known as 'transmission' or 'pranahuti' , which is claimed by SRCM, where no other physical presence was necessary.Now, we can discuss and debate, and put across many psychiatric theories to prove whtever we wish to but as mentioned earlier, the proof of pudding is in eating it. I can give you the chemical formula of sugar, but can i explain you 'sweetness'...?



    well how is that feeling different from feeling that you have after sex ? now pls do not take sex as something bad, it is most natural process, same feeling can also be experienced there as well, infact it is same, there is nothing new in it, it is at physical level that you experience this trnasmission, coz at metaphysical level there is nothing, no feelings at all, till there are feelings it is at physical level, and this is the reason why i call it "mental sex", now this does not mean that there was no transmission in past, we the Hindu's (who are corrupt according to Mr Chari) have done gr8 research, and a genioun process was discovered, pls keep in mind nothing cannot be immitated, there has to be something which these cult groups try and copy, can you copy nothing? that is not possible, hence here point is not tat transmission does not exist but, that transmission which exist is not present in SRCM, you can take my words for this, coz it is prefectly logical and can be proved to exist, if it does not, then it just that they have somhow stumblled on it, without knowing what it is or how to reach there and just spreading the "method" since it is not geniune it is causing harm, yoga can be very dangerous if it is tought by craps like preceptor's of SRCM, are all of them prefect? if not then how come something like transmission can be handled by these untrained people, this is how they are causing harm. I hope u understand this, in order to spread and maintain control, they are causing gr8 harm to people involved in this cult, and this is what i am opposing.








    Now, i work fr **ZAPPED**, drive their **ZAPPED** but still remember those initial days in my career, when i was struggling. My parents are not members, and i never tried to force thru their throats. I married outside the mission, and never ever asked my wife to join. I thought, since its very personal, and unless you 'need', anything, just for the sake of dng , is hypocrisy. And just becos husband is foolish, not necessary tht wife also do the same foolishness. :) But after 2 yrs of our marriage, she happily joined the place. i have 6 yrs old son. Few yrs back, my elder sis, and BIL also joined. Parents hv still not.

    well we are not interested in what business we are, **ZAPPED** i do not wish to talk about your family but just this much that in india women's will accept anything without questioning, for them she see God in her husband, unfortunatly most of the indian men do not maintain that dignity of divinity present in them and also looked in

    For those who are not like you why is acceptence of spouse is not mandatory in SRCM? allow me to reproduce one speach of your Divinity here...


    A talk given by Shri Parthasarathi Rajagopalachari on 16th February, 2004 at the Inauguration of the Mysore ashram, Karnataka, INDIA:





    …….”We have to have more Open Houses, become more energetic in inviting people to start Sahaj Marg, talk about it to friends, to relatives, because I know many houses where the father is the abhyasi, not the wife, not children, and for twenty years they don't change. If a man cannot influence his own wife to start Sahaj Marg, who else is he going to influence? I know wives are very difficult to manage, but that is female nature, you see, and we are here to change nature by starting with our own family first.”
    “If you drop a stone in a pond and the ripple stops there, what will you think? There is something wrong, no? You know what I mean by ripples? Where the stone falls, there the ripple must start. Our people, whether they are men or women, in grihasthashrama [family life], they don't take their job seriously. "No, no, Sir, my wife is not interested." Or, if the wife is an abhyasi, she says, "My husband will not come." So you see, you must take your responsibility as abhyasis, first for your own development, next for the development of your family, and it must spread like that through the world. Ashrams are only physical structures for helping you to do all this. If that aim is not achieved, this ashram is useless. It will become like so many things on the roadside - useless mathas [monasteries], useless temples, where only bats and owls live”. ........



    Now what do u have to say to this ???









    I hv travelled extensively across the globe,and is exposed to all possible positive and negatives of this life.
    Shashwat, i can talk only abt me. As you rightly said, there cant b two parts of the life :Material and Spiritual.
    But how many people can understand this? They hv to make aware by dividing it, and then slowly make them aware that its only One Existence. I cant have one attitude outside, and another inside.




    here you will notice the hard fact, if you agree that it is matarial life only then there is no need to create a Sahaj Marg, they need money and zombies, otherwise SM will cease to exist, do u really feel, to understand unity you need to create difference ? how many people do u feel can maintain this difference ? all those who come and attain birthday bash of Chari, do u feel they maintain this balance ? to understand unity, we have to unite and not go the otherway round to create difference, this is what is core of Gita, if you understand, and this is what is ment when we say God is everywhere, why should we look for divinity in Chari? when that divinity is present in ourself? this exclusive possesion of God in master is what defies the very fundamental teachings of Hindu religion, how many people you know have reached God through this method? how long do u intend to travell before you can reach the goal? u cannot become Master of SM, and there can be only one Master hence there can only be one representative of Divine, hence all other will keep on growing as u call, never reaching the prefection do u feel that after reaching the infinite, cults like SM have any meaning? that Divinity is what makes the sun shine, the planets move, and life to exist, do u mean to say Divinty can be expressed by these craps like Chari et al ? this is all cult activity and nothing more, they are doing business, fooling people and distroying their life, by controling their life. there is not even one trace of sprituality in SRCM.

    If u have noticed they are removing all the posts that we commented on. also changing their heading, before my blog, their stand was married couple are welcome, but celibacy is adviced, now after my blog, their official stand is "married couples should live normally" how come they chance their stand so fast ? and u feel there is some sprituality, it is rock like solid. when u can face to face with it, u will understand.





    Most of the points, which are mentioned by you are some level of misunderstanding or may b the mis-explaination by some 'over-enthusiastic' instructor :
    One need not at all accept PR as the Master of life, or create that artificial dependency.



    pls read their website, master takes all place in abhyasis life, mother father husband doctor etc, why are u contradicting the official stand of SRCM here ?





    There is no force (including emotional) used on members where they ask them to buy more and more literature. Infact in my personal collection, Mission's literature is in minority..ha ha.
    People are anyways free to do anything with their money, if they can afford comfortably without affecting the family's requirement.
    In these 14 yrs, i never donated a single paisa, though i wld pay for whtever i eat, and if i hv used Mission's resources. I wld calculate based on the industry standards.
    When u meditate, u dont hv to compulsory hv the presence of the other person.




    From where do u think all these stuff come up? if people are not donating then from where does this money come from ? what is the source of income of this group? Chari's pension ? pls do not misguide ur self, if presense of another person is not required then can u pls explain why sitting with preceptor is mandatory for growth, else why a preceptor is required to control ur life ?







    PR is not Devil. He is a very normal man like any of us. I m not sure if you have met him or not. I meet him when i need to, and hv always found him honest, blunt, very harsh sometimes, and most of the times very loveable.




    Blunt harsh and also spritual represntative of divine ? his ego is at highest level, he celibrates his birthday and declears himself to be sole reprentative of Divine (pls go through the SRCM.org website), and u say he is not devil, why is he conducting marriges inside the community, if he is not selfish then what is the need to grow number os zombies registered, pls read his speach published, when he conducted about 22 marriges, ? why control is desired over people life? why sitting with preceptor is mandatory ? that too for growth, this is highly stupid and foolis leave apeart spritual.








    I always feel that if human beings were so easy to handle and change, they wld hv changed long ago. But its a tragedy !!



    Nothing in this world is going to change state of human affaires, if u understand the fundamental principle of physics sum total of universal energy remains constant, just changes from one form to another, hence sum total of pain and pleasure will remain constant throughout, this is how nature is, there cannot be a high rising wave without creating a hollow somewhere, it is not possible to shift balance of nature by cults like SRCM, we all will ultimatly go back to our source, which is the cosmic intelligence, or God, it is just the matter of time, first you need to pay back of your acts, only after that this union is possible.





    So, i wld always highly recommend SM to those who are keen, and wld also set the expectations at the right levels. Its dangerous for those who makes it complex.




    If you feel u can help anyone then u r utterly stupid, at max u can have sympathy for those who are suffering, and do not impose you method on those who are not involved in this cult, same coat cannot fit everyone.






    Its always nice chatting with you, do keep in touch, and do let me know incase u need any more info abt me, and my experiences,




    I am always open, and i will respect the fact that u choose to be anyonomous, i would not like to know u personally, or professionaly, pls do not mind my approach, but more we involve in groups more we get distracted from our self, hence i feel that group meditation and birthday celibration etc are just the opposite of what we call as union with self.

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  46. Hello Shash...

    We can keep on discussing till we die...but then there are few points which are below, which i thought wld answer.

    This would not be needed, length to which we will discuss depends on level of your toxification, there are people who after reading my site decided to bid farewell to all the hallucination of SRCM like existence of brighter world and its costly messages, and smoking out impurity from their butts, and that master has to be taken inside zombies heart and transmission makes one spiritual, they simply dropped off all these stupidity just after reading my site, few informed me via email or left messages on my blog. Few even did not bother to inform me and simply walked away from my site as well as from SRCM.

    But in case of people like you, who have been intoxicated to the level that they need to struggle and fight before they come back to their normal senses I am ready to respond, I am here to take all the blames of your stupidity, not coz I want to help or I can help but simply coz I want to resist evil, since this concept you will not be able to understand hence I will put it in the language you understand, like Chari has a brighter world from where he receives his costly messages I also have a brighter world, all those people who till now use to live in Chari’s brighter world have now moved into my brighter world and I received this message free of cost that I need to resist this stupidity and express my opinion to the world by this medium internet. And not via un-named French lady medium





    We go to places like Relegion, Universities or colleges or hospitals etc as we realize with humility that there are chances of having such an individual, who is domain-expert, whom we call Guide, or Teacher, Doctor or may b Master (not frm Master-Slave dimension, but the one who has probably Mastered his self, and which we need to experience), we start looking out.



    There are fakes everywhere, there are fake doctors, fake teaches and fake master’s like chari, those who claim that only this path is true and everyone must follow only this path, not only you but also your family members and friends etc need to follow this path, are fake, those who are true are not selfish, only an unselfish person can claim to be master, not those who sell messages from brighter world not those who say smoke out from your butts. These people are those who are defined as cult’s, they apply mind control and people like you who get intoxicated, loose their power to think, otherwise which person in his normal sense can believe that smoking out from butts is spirituality, and there exists a brighter world and would buy its costly message, and leave all their work family and society just to celebrate any jerks birthday ? these acts are outcome of mind control which these cults apply on normal humans and there by convert them into zombies you are one example of such creatures.






    But normally over a period of time, our attention shifts frm the purpose to something else. If we are sincere towards our own growth, our search must continue, then wasting our precious seconds of this existence.

    There cannot be growth, how can you grow when you are already grown ? if you are not aware of that knowledge then you need to gain that knowledge, and no knowledge can come from ignorance, SRCM asks people to become ignorant, which is opposite of what you think is growth, that is devolution you do not evolve rather devolve from humans you become zombie, thinking about brighter world and smoking from your butts.




    "will tell ......no Krishna. Its all epic, written by some great writer." He said.
    Shashwat said...
    " In order to understand this we need to understand the concept of time, .....that will explain the existance, the pranayam is the method of ......dhyana Dharna and samadhi.
    The communication of Krishna ..... are more dimentions of life then what we know currently.
    Thanks for sharing all this info. Layers of existence, concept of time...do i 'see' this? can i 'show' this to others? do i 'know' the 'planes' of existence? Have i 'realized' this knowledge? if not, then i m no good then any other philospher or a liar, as i m talkng abt somebody else's experience, and not mine.

    Now, wht wld u expect me .....the Bhagwat and not those statistics."


    then why depend on what you call as experience of Chari ? or any crap like him ? if you really want to experience no-one can stop you nor any-one can help you, no birthday bash no brighter world no smoke from butts will help. Look for your own experience why depends on smoke from ur butts ? and sitting with preceptor or surrendering to jerks etc etc ? look for knowledge within then why look for experience outside ? you don’t have to show anything to other’s first try to see yourself till you have not become perfect, till that time don’t bother “recommending “ Chari & Co to other’s.







    Shashwat says...
    why do we need to take things as logical or illogical till we don't know, accept that you don't know and just have blind faith... if you want the answer's search for it, ask, don't be a fool and accept everything as is, that is very very dangerous. pls keep this is mind, knowledge does not comes from ignorence, it can only come from knowledge.
    Have just 'blind-faith'? This is quite confusing as sometme back you were talking abt your 'logic-before-faith' approach, and then immedly after you say, dont accept everything as is...Haa...? My personal opinion here is that true knowledge comes only frm experience, frm relaization, and not frm knowledge. Most of the relaized souls, had not read these vedas, and other books.


    I can understand your confusion, you need to accept that till now you have only blind faith, and you are still a stupid who asked you to have blind faith ? if you want answer’s then ask, look for those answer, blind faith will lead you groups like SRCM only.





    So, after .....sure, that they can prove it.
    Shashwat says...
    "what makes you feel that experience gained by these people is not authentic ? if you feel that their experience is authentic then agree that this group is fake."
    I never said tht those experiences were cooked up. I did mention - 'They are right, they wld have suffered, and its always so painful.' But unfortunately, the comments were on everything except on the efficacy of the system. Its working for me,and its working wonders. I think, for me, that is more imp then listening the stories abt the power-struggles, politics etc. I was not existing then, and cant verify any of the facts.


    If you do not doubt the experience of other’s then you are standing in midst of gr8 contradiction, since you are not able to realize it this itself means that you are currently under state of hallucination, and totally under mind control of this cult, otherwise, it is more then obvious that this group is more then a cult, it is a harmful cult.






    SRCM was not the ....... comprehensive collections of his literature.
    Shashwat says...
    did u tried to visit mayawati ? pls visit there, SV removed picture of RK from that mutth as he was the one who preached adwaita, non-dual, there cannot be more then one God, and that God is present in everyone, we also need some logic to understand this, again blind faith will lead to groups like SRCM only. where Master (Mr Chari) is the sole representative of divine for this humanity... this is not only stupid but also funny

    I m not in the position to comment on SV's action, as neither i know God, nor i "understand" the dweta/adweta. And to be very honest, though i may be having some information abt all these after reading books, i do not 'know' this concept of 'divinity'. I dont keep PR somewhere aloof.


    Then why follow teachings of this cult ? PR is the one of the most cunning creature ever known, he like other’s, wants control, power and money, and this is why, he keep saying dedicate yourself to Sahaj marg and master is your husband etc etc. if you do not believe in this cult then why are you still standing as one of them ?






    I was doing my Engg, when i joined SRCM. I .......with multiple-standards, hyprocrites, and may b corrupt.....

    Shashwat says...
    where do u find SRCM different from all this ? as they not power hungry ? why court cases then ? when they lost sahagmarg.org domain battle in regulatory authority they approached verginia high court, the person who was involved directly has given his testomonial on micheals blog, pls read that, you will find this hidden truth about SRCM, and you will come to know that all atribute of coruption is present there as well, just like all others you experienced.
    Pls read carefully. I said, this place is also like any other imperfect place, and i am not ashamed when i accept it. End of the day, its a part & reflection of our society, country and humanity in general, which is suffering frm all the mentioned diseases.
    But then shld i b drifted frm my objective bcos of few stupids?

    So, i chose to test it thoroughly, and more then Mission......given in the basic books of SM.

    Shashwat says...
    pls allow me to be bold, while in hostels sprituality cannot be understood,
    Why? This Omni-present hates hostel..? LOL..


    what makes you feel that omnipresent can hate anything ? in hostels or in normal life as well, you can only get influenced by craps and jerks like Chari, knowledge can only come from self analysis, no-matter you are living in hostel or anywhere, but in a place where you are surrounded by people thinking only one thing you are bound to get influence by those and become one like that, hence in gathering etc, no-one can come closer to his self, for that you need people who are your part, like spouse parents children, etc, they are naturally most close to you and hence only these people can help you become more spiritual, and not a place where zombies are roaming there you will only become a zombie.





    or even in normal life, for sprituality to grow, suffering is must, pain is most important content of truth,
    Wht is this pain & suffering? Is it pang of separation frm the One? Do i suffer,as i m still separate frm my Beloved? Do i get restless with each day passing, tht one more day is wasted and still i hv not realized the truth?

    I can comment on this but it will divert our discussion form SRCM, only this much, cause of suffering is attachment, when object of attachment is removed we suffer, we want something to happen when it does not happen we suffer, and if we do not pass through these suffering we have not lived life, we cannot go beyond anything till we do not pass through it, to go beyond we must pass through, hence it is more important to be happy or sad when situation is there, only self experience can teach you anything, no other experience has any validation for you. Its all crap, till it not you.






    for normal people like us, we will not understand anything till we do not want to understand,
    Wht is this 'normal' here? Are we different frm those who realized the truth?

    No, not at all, those who realized the truth have only knowledge, that we don’t have, just like a genuine doctor he has some knowledge that we don’t have, we don’t need to follow him to become a doctor, there is a course for that, anyone in the world we wants to become a doctor and is capable of studying can become, there is absolutely no need to follow what that particular doc is doing or saying or how he become a good doc, more-over it is absolutely not needed to become his slave and love him and believe in his dreams.



    you need to be very careful while u try to understand what i want to say here, coz there are no words to express it in my knowledge, only this much that when in storm in our life, we see a light glowing, that is our own experience, and only that can take us to what is called as sprituality, nothing more nothing less.
    True, absolute truth. But again its true for you, and i respect it.


    pls read below



    It is not that you read some crap and accept it, and do a mental gymnastic's, that is also as fake as SRCM is.
    I agree here with you. Reading and talking abt it without realizing is nothing but crap. I normally avoid all this crap.

    When u agree with all that I have to say then where is it that u disagree ? when all that I am stating is truth then why do u want to hold on to this stupid dogma of transmission and smokes from butts and growth etc ??? where do u find these things different from craps ? if these things are indeed craps then SRCM in totality is also crap, and as per your own statement you avoid all craps then why do u stick with this bull-shit ?



    I was .....chemical formula of sugar, but can i explain you 'sweetness'...?

    Shashwat says...
    well how is that feeling different from feeling that you have after sex ? now pls do not take sex as something bad, it is most natural process, same feeling can also be experienced there as well. infact it is same, there is nothing new in it, it is at physical level that you experience this trnasmission, coz at metaphysical level there is nothing, no feelings at all, till there are feelings it is at physical level, and this is the reason why i call it "mental sex".

    Repeating again my words - "i felt tht 'transmission', which is called 'pranahuti'. it was something which was felt 'somewhere'..." Did i say here that i felt transmission in my body, & that i was excited..? It may b your view but my experience was different. The day, i 'see' for myself, the part of the existence ('somewhere') where exactly this is 'felt', will be the day, when i wld talk with authority abt , as u mentioned 'metaphysical' etc etc.

    this transmission is something which is “felt “ no no “not felt” no “felt” but not sure what where how but “felt” not sure !!!!! this is the state that you are trying to transmit. Can you pls explain how is this state different from hallucination ? these are side effects of what you do, you are actually becoming stupid and foolish, pls see the video which I have added in my blog, this transmission theory will vanish immediately incase you are able to see and understand it completely.



    Shahswat says...
    now this does not mean that there was no transmission in past, we the Hindu's (who are corrupt according to Mr Chari) have done gr8 research, and a genioun process was discovered, pls keep in mind nothing cannot be immitated, there has to be something which these cult groups try and copy, can you copy nothing? that is not possible, hence here point is not tat transmission does not exist but, that transmission which exist is not present in SRCM, you can take my words for this, coz it is prefectly logical and can be proved to exist, if it does not, then it just that they have somhow stumblled on it,
    Stumblled on it...? LOL..I wish i cld also stumble on it..


    You also can, more and more you loose your sense and become stupid, stumble part is that which is more respectable, and respect is something that these zombies don’t deserve at all, this was indeed a mistake on my part and you have full right to laugh on it.




    without knowing what it is or how to reach there and just spreading the "method" since it is not geniune it is causing harm, yoga can be very dangerous if it is tought by craps like preceptor's of SRCM, are all of them prefect?

    Yoga cld be dangerous, i understand, but how is it causing harm? Do u know of any members who are now in mental hospitals?

    look at your self, what ever you are displaying here is nothing more then that, any person who believes that there are messages coming from brighter world and he even pays USD 250 (10,000/- INR) is suitable for mental hospital only, what would you call that person who is constantly “smoking from his back ?” spiritual or mental ? I know young people who died of heart attack and other heart related problems who were dedicated zombies, I know those who testified on net about the problems they faced after this method, pls read the wiki for more details,



    Shashwat says...
    if not then how come something like transmission can be handled by these untrained people, this is how they are causing harm.
    So you agree here that transmission exists in SRCM. And it is as genuine as existed in the past. This is matter of debate whether those people are trainded or untrained, as its very general statement, which is made without any supporting, and which any person who has not even heard of SRCM can make... :)


    transmission is what is claimed, which is nothing more then a degraded version of mental state, and this is what is spread in SRCM, all are converted into zombies. Like your goodself, they all gather once to calibrate the cult leader’s birthday and make donations etc, and get transmitted by each other and think that they are actually growing, whereas they are converted into below human standard.



    Shashwat says...
    I hope u understand this, in order to spread and maintain control, they are causing gr8 harm to people involved in this cult, and this is what i am opposing.
    I hope you believe in that Law, the Nature, and if yes, then you wld also trust that nobody in this universe is above it. If its against this Law, it wont exist.

    This law of nature is about sequence and consequence, there are gr8 evils in this world like terrorist suicide bombers they all pay for their deeds ultimately, all evils will be opposed by some-one or the other, I am just one of those who are opposing this evil, there are many like me, what we are doing is also perfectly natural. And if it was not then it would not exist. According you your understanding only.





    Now, i ......also joined. Parents hv still not.

    Shashwat says...
    well we are not interested in what business ....
    For those who are not like you why is acceptence.......roadside - useless mathas [monasteries], useless temples, where only bats and owls live”. ........

    Now what do u have to say to this ???
    Is there anything wrong in it..? "you must take your responsibility as abhyasis, first for your own development, next for the development of your family, and it must spread like that through the world." First responsibility is of my own development. Tell me, if i m going to school, and still i m as foolish, as i was before, is there any use of going their? Who is responsible? Only I. Even after my association, and practising fr yrs, if i still lie,if i still make black-money, if i am as corrupt as i was, and my behaviour towards my wife & others is same, is there any use of such Spirituality? If this change is not reflected in my character, my behaviour, and my approach, who is responsible? If i m stone, and even after falling in water, unable to produce ripples, is water resp or the stone?Its better that i quit this hypocrisy. The internal changes must reflect externally. It shld happen so visibly, where the wife or freind or etc shld be proud of this change, and where one is influenced as they see the changes.
    Character building is individual's responsibility.


    Hey but just before that you were saying something like no-one is forced to bring in their spouse or family members, now why are you contradicting your own statement !!! allow me to remind you what was your stand before I reproduced that divine statement.

    “And just becos husband is foolish, not necessary tht wife also do the same foolishness. :) “

    And now “you must take your responsibility as abhyasis, first for your own development, next for the development of your family”

    if you were in normal state of mind you would have not contradicted your self in such an open manner, it is because you have been made to take all the words of Chari as divinity and it superimposes you own inner thought process, hence statement and stand both changed after reading some crap, and this is how you have lost the power to think, and this is what I am trying to explain to all you loose your power to think and decide once you join SRCM.







    Shashwat says....
    here you will notice the hard fact, if you agree that it is matarial life only then there is no need to create a Sahaj Marg,
    I didnt say, its material life only...Its only ONE, only ONE LIFE. If its not one, then i m nothing but a hypocrite.

    they need money and zombies, otherwise SM will cease to exist, do u really feel, to understand unity you need to create difference ?
    Buddy, its only the concept,as most of us today are highly materially oriented, and ignore the other aspect completely. Its only to get the focus back on the ignored aspect that this concept is brought in. Most of us limit God only to the temples, churches, Sunday prayers etc.

    So you are confining God into Chari ? this is what is propagated, sometimes back you were of the view, there is no difference between material life now you are again talking about ignoring the other part, whereas my stand is still same, there is no different between material life, where you earn work hard and enjoy and what you call as spirituality, it is same.



    how many people do u feel can maintain this difference ? all those who come and attain birthday bash of Chari, do u feel they maintain this balance ?
    At present i m working on my own self. Let me see later, if still i wld want to comment on others.

    This has been 14 yrs !!! and you are still waiting for yourself, ok keep waiting. Its your life after all.



    to understand unity, we have to unite and not go the otherway round to create difference, this is what is core of Gita, if you understand, and this is what is ment when we say God is everywhere, why should we look for divinity in Chari?
    Its upto individual. If people are free to call him devil,they are equally free to call him Divine too. But both may be same, as none of them know wht they are talking abt.


    A man who produces harm knowingly for his selfish pleasure, is only a devil, anyone who claims himself to be God and “THE ULTIMATE” is nothing more then a devil, if you don’t know then pls read definition of master from Smriti.

    Shashwat says...
    when that divinity is present in ourself? this exclusive possesion of God in master is what defies the very fundamental teachings of Hindu religion,
    Relax Shashwat. Can God be possessed, and that too 'exclusively'? Only idiots wld claim or believe this.

    This is something I am saying from the very beginning, only Idiots will believe this, and you are one of those, who accept the fact that Chari is of divine essence of is representative of Divine. Pls read this

    From Sahaj marg site

    However, in Sahaj Marg, the concept of Master is more closely aligned to the idea of divinity or divine essence.


    Thus, in Sahaj Marg the Master represents the divine principle as manifest in all aspects of creation:
    a) as the Ultimate, b) as the spiritual guide, and c) as our inner divinity.

    In Sahaj Marg it is recognized that a living Master is indispensable
    to our spiritual progress “

    Now those who believe this are idiots from your own standered.



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  47. ... Continued from privious post...................


    how many people you know have reached God through this method?
    let me restrict my search to me only. Even if i try, first, u wld ask me the evidence and then ask me to prove it logically LOL.LOL.


    But you were about to recommend this method to many and still feel sad that “parents have not yet joined… ” if you yourself are confident that you cannot prove anything then this displays your current state of mind.



    how long do u intend to travell before you can reach the goal?
    Let me ask you this question. Long..time? but u said time is nt wht we understand...?


    if you ask me this question I can answer I do not intend to travel at all, I am already there where I am suppose to be, if I have to reach anywhere, a place which I do not know, and if I am capable to reaching there I will reach without any extra effort from my side, all I do is to fulfill my duty towards my family and society at large, time has no meaning for me as such, but since it was you who had doubts transmitted by your “friend” hence I informed you in same language you understand which is that of time.




    u cannot become Master of SM, and there can be only one Master hence there can only be one representative of Divine, hence all other will keep on growing as u call, never reaching the prefection do u feel that after reaching the infinite, cults like SM have any meaning?
    >>> Master..the most misunderstood word. Its not tht PR is sitting on some throne, and all the abhyasis..err zombies, are standing in front of him like slaves.. LOL...Do u know the infinite?

    it will take som time for you to become habitual of accepting your self and others like you as zombie’s and nothing more.

    Why is there so much scope of mis-understanding ? how come your knowledge so complex, that simple term like master as such a complex meaning that it is always misunderstood ? And this is exactly the condition Chari sitting on thrown and all Zombies sitting in front of him like salve.. have any transmitted doubt ??? have a look at the pictures uploaded on SRCM website, this transmitted doubt will vanish.

    If I know the infinite or I don’t know the infinite has no meaning in what SRCM is doing, I do not claim to be master nor do I claim that “I AM TRANSMITTING” you, I am just expressing my words on internet, available for all, read this divinity from your MASTER


    more important, it is lack of understanding of your spiritual welfare: how it can be promoted, how you have to wait, how even a dog waits till it gets its slice of bread—and that patience you don’t have. Well, breakfast is to be enjoyed, is to be eaten; it is to contribute to your health. But if you neglect spirituality and are in a hurry to run even before the transmission is over-
    because I am sure in the minds of people who are in a hurry to get to breakfast before the others, they stopped meditating even when we just started it. Their meditation was on idli, saambaar, vadai, pongal, whatever is available there. May you be blessed—I will give you more and more of that. I will also add some sweets. But remember that is as much a temptation to drag you away from the path of spiritual discipline. And it is not hunger, it is greed—it is laalach. And the anxiety to get there first, eat first, get to your scooter or car first, go home first. You understand? This is the ‘State of the Union’ in our Mission today.

    So you have to agree that zombies are no better then Dog’s after the transmission, and that food is supplied by Mr Chari. And this is spiritual !!!







    Shashwat says...
    that Divinity is what makes the sun shine, the planets move, and life to exist, do u mean to say Divinty can be expressed by these craps like Chari et al ?
    Divinity? Sir, i m yet to 'realize', and once i wld, then wld tell the truth.

    why do u think that you have to realize anything ? you have been making progress and getting transmitted since last 14 yrs, Mr Chari has been making this progress since last 30 odd yrs and you don’t even know that there can only be one force which is driving this universe, and I can assure you, it is not Mr Chari, if you want to realize then first get rid of all these people like Chari etc.





    Shashwat says...
    this is all cult activity and nothing more, they are doing business, fooling people and distroying their life, by controling their life. there is not even one trace of sprituality in SRCM.
    Since you are in the great service of humanity, i wld request you to kindly extend your scope of work by enlightening people with all such cults and grp across the globe.Otherwise people wld think that you have some personal agenda against this Mission.

    I am not the only one, and you should think (if not yet) that there is some personal agenda, it can’t be otherwise, till I do not experience the harm of this group how can I say that it is harmful, as and when I experience harms caused by other cults I will expose them as well, but for that I have to experience them first.



    Shaahwat says....
    If u have noticed they are removing all the posts that we commented on. also changing their heading, before my blog, their stand was married couple are welcome, but celibacy is adviced, now after my blog, their official stand is "married couples should live normally" how come they chance their stand so fast ?
    >>> I too am surprised knowing that both Ram Chandras and Mr PR, all lived normal life(including marriage, job, children etc).LOL

    What makes you feel that they lived normal life ? and they did something for their family, remove the first RC as he is associated only via dreams, if u take example of Babuji, then you can very well understand how much he has done for his family, they are still suffering and there is still a court case going on between his family members and Mr Chari, this is what he has left for them and this is the normal life that he lived where he served his family, since for zombies he is perfect example, hence all those who wish to grow, must make their family members suffer and like their family members are suffering, his D-I-L, i.e his son’s (Umesh’s wife) taking a good beating by his most beloved disciple’s disciples, this is the normal life that he lived and this is what he has transmitted to them, and this is probably what makes you LOL. That can be understood. You have lost your power to think and decide and differentiate between good and bad.

    Take example of Sulochna, poor lady, always worried and died worried, about Chari’s association with western women’s, I cannot comment on this with authority as the concerned lady has explicitly asked me not to drag her name as she is now married and has nothing to do with SRCM, since I do not have any proof hence I cannot comment about that, but I can safely say that second RC, did not lived a normal family life and caused problem to his family even after his death.







    Shashwat says....
    and u feel there is some sprituality, it is rock like solid. when u can face to face with it, u will understand.
    >>> I too am waiting eagerly to encounter this rock, which i dint see in these 14 yrs.

    what makes you feel that you can attain that in next 14 yrs as well ? you will continue doing the same thing what you have been doing since last 14 yrs..



    Shashwat says...
    pls read their website, master takes all place in abhyasis life, mother father husband doctor etc, why are u contradicting the official stand of SRCM here ?
    >> Who am i to contradict? May b they are talking abt that once we develop that attitude of serving God thru all our activities, then where is Fater, Mother, Family...its all serving the Beloved. Remember Karma Yoga(talk by SV), where we only do our duty in His rememberance, and dont bother abt the fruits..?


    That “his” is now replaced with Chari, there is no maybe, but you have to replace all relations etc with Mr Chari only, this is what is propagated, you need not love your parents or spouse but you need to love Mr Chari and obey him. Thus you will grow and become spiritual.




    Shashwat says...
    From where do u think all these stuff come up? if people are not donating then from where does this money come from ? what is the source of income of this group? Chari's pension ?
    >>> Now, you are talking like Income Tax officer here. Its clearly mentioned on the website. The point was actually different, and i was saying tht till date nobody has forced me to buy any literature or CDs and i never donated a single paisa. I wld quit this place the day they say tht they wld charge $50 per transmission session.. LOL...
    or the meeting with God will be organized only after receiving donation of $10000... LOL LOL

    Well incase you attained last birthday bash of Mr Chari organized at Raipur, you would like to remember that you had to pay Rs 300 to attain that Birthday bash, and this is the cost of transmission, they target wealthy westerns for donations etc, just have a look at amount of money paid to law firms in US, and money raised by corpus membership, and by selling books and CD’s and that brighter world message’s, they are all present along with this transmission. Nobody can force, and this is what is called as mind control, and this is how they are harmful, can any person in his sense can buy craps of SRCM ? they first make you a zombie after that there is no force it is not needed at all. You are already a zombie maintaining balance between spiritual and family life.






    pls do not misguide ur self, if presense of another person is not required then can u pls explain why sitting with preceptor is mandatory for growth, else why a preceptor is required to control ur life ?
    >>> When u go to barber's shop, do u give your life in his hands? Sitting with Preceptor is recommended and not mandatory. There is nothing in SM which is mandatory.

    Why it exist then ? if there is nothing to be done than what are preceptor’s for ? there is a book costing 150 Rs or so, which has address and telephone number of all preceptor’s why is that book sold if that is not mandatory ? once again it is mind control, force is not needed when mind control is already present







    Shaswat says..
    Blunt harsh and also spritual represntative of divine ?
    >> Only honest and true people can b harsh and blunt. I dint say rude or humiliating. If i m corrupt, and my freind show me mirror, is my true freind.

    Pls try and remember what was your stand for those who were criticizing SRCM… this is your own statement

    “But there is always way with dignity where we disagree and caution others, if we sincerely feels that its BAD” why do you exempt Mr Chari from this ? this is what is called as hypocrisy double standard.




    Shashwat says..
    why is he conducting marriges inside the community, if he is not selfish then what is the need to grow number os zombies registered, pls read his speach published, when he conducted about 22 marriges, ?
    >>> This is my v.v.personal opinion. My freinds frm West may not b aware of it, but i m sure you wld definitely b aware.

    Do u know how many girls are killed/burnt every year in India becos of Dowry?

    Very less as compared to number of marriages in India, this is more of a hawk then truth, in rural area’s this might be possible, and this is no reason to marry Indian women’s to foreigner’s, in SRCM people are married inside not because of dowry but to produce more zombies, here is the proof


    “it was not merely an expression of his wishes–has ordained that abhyasis should marry amongst each other, so that in two or three generations we have an exploding Sahaj Marg population. The population already prepared genetically because parents are both people who are meditating, people who have learnt to cultivate their souls, people who have learnt the art of communicating with their inner selves, which is God, in silence, in happiness, in blessedness. Hopefully, these children will form the core groups of emerging Sahaj Marg societies everywhere in this world.”



    Do u know how may children and people die every year bcos of hunger in India?

    Yes I am aware of that, and this is why is prefer to donate money to CRY and UN, then to this spiritual group so that my money can be used to pay court fee etc.


    Do u know how much money is spent in Dowry and in these extravagant marriages in India, every year?

    I have slightly different view here, what you call as dowry I call it as girls right in her parental inheritance, there is no reason why girl should be denied her right in her parental property, since she moves in to new home hence her share is given to her at time of marriage which u call as dowry. Indian system is just beyond your imagination limits

    Do u know every year how many hungry people can b fed with the food which we waste in every marriage?

    What about the money spent in birthday bash etc ? you are more concerned how people celebrate occasion in their home, but you give a blind eye to what is spend in court cases paying advocates and buying land and property, can that money which is of course donated not be used for feeding those very hungry people in India itself ? money spent in marriages are earned by those who are spending it, and you have no right to say how they should manage their money similarly you have no right to ask to donation to pay for your court cases and personal travel and property


    If not, then pls find below few stats :
    There are more than 7000 girls who were burnt last year, as they cldnt get enough money along with them. Their hubbys and in-laws poured keronsene or petrol on them and burnt them alive. The rate is increasing every year.

    can you also inform us about number of marriages last year and then compare it with this figure, there are as many arguments for and against this discussion, do you know how many innocent husbands have been put behind bar’s because they refused to throw their parents out of their home as demanded by these very innocent girls ? figure is more then 10 lakhs across India last yrs only, in Tihar jail only there are 58000 people behind bar for dowry related cases. There is a law as we live in a society, dowry is no reason to marry girls inside the community this is for control, similarly pls provide input on number of rape cases, will SRCM provide a girl to every rapist for his pleasure, so that no girl is raped outside ? you are simply exposing the level of mind control. Or provide stats of numbers divorces last year in India, why get married then if there are so many divorces happening outside and inside, as well



    About 320 million Indians go to bed without food every night, and recent data suggests this already alarming situation is getting worse. There are abt 2m people die becos of hunger, and most of them are children.

    And SRCM is spending the donated money on court cases and paying fee for advocated and buying property etc is Austing Tx USA and building more and more ashrams across India to conduct more and more open houses. Not to forget paying for Mr Chari and his associates air trips. Get your money to proper use



    Last year we spent more than Rs 1200 Cr rupees on marriages which includes the electricity ,food, dowry, and other pomp and show.

    The marriages are performed in the bright daylight, without any pomp and show, in the most simple legal registered way. Repeating again, its not condition, if 22 marriages happened here, there wld have been 220 outside.

    I doubt if SRCM has 1200 Cr Rs, if that is what you are saying, there is still no need for marrying people inside to produce more zombies, this is simply a control tactics which cannot be proven otherwise, this is something which all cults do and SRCM is no exception.



    I m not saying here that this is the only reason, but the reason which is difficult to ignore. Whts the use of such Spirituality, and God and Divinity , which is not reflected in our lives, and which is not benefiting our society, country and human generation?
    But we have our own perception and see the whole world with that.


    There is no use of SRCM as it is causing only harm and producing more and more zombies people unable to think and producing pain and suffering in an otherwise stable society.


    Shashwat says....
    Nothing in this world is going to change state of human affaires, if u understand the fundamental principle of physics sum total of universal energy remains constant, just changes from one form to another, hence sum total of pain and pleasure will remain constant throughout, this is how nature is, there cannot be a high rising wave without creating a hollow somewhere, it is not possible to shift balance of nature by cults like SRCM, we all will ultimatly go back to our source, which is the cosmic intelligence, or God, it is just the matter of time, first you need to pay back of your acts, only after that this union is possible.

    >>> I neither understand this mathematics, nor interested in. For me, my personal experience is the truth, though i read alot.

    Then why recommend SM ? hallucination cannot be truth though under mind control seems to be truth


    Shashwat says...
    If you feel u can help anyone then u r utterly stupid, at max u can have sympathy for those who are suffering, and do not impose you method on those who are not involved in this cult, same coat cannot fit everyone.
    >>> Read carefully...Did i say that i wld help anyone..? Pls read again..."i wld always highly recommend SM to those who are keen, and wld also set the expectations at the right levels."
    "Keeness" of the other person and 'setting the expectations' are the most imp criterion otherwise they wld only b disappointed.
    But then i dont mind being stupid, if i beleive in my own experiences and also believe that 'imposition' can never work in this affair of heart, where intelligence, intellect has not much role to play.

    Finally “, where intelligence, intellect has not much role to play” after much struggle you accepted that SRCM is just the opposite of what is called is intelligence, now pls go and read “intelligence ” section of my blog


    Shashwat says....
    I am always open, and i will respect the fact that u choose to be anyonomous, i would not like to know u personally, or professionaly, pls do not mind my approach,
    Hay Shashwat, you are getting harsh and blunt here...LOL

    Good to see that finally you have accepted me as speaking the truth, welcome to the world of freedom


    but more we involve in groups more we get distracted from our self, hence i feel that group meditation and birthday celibration etc are just the opposite of what we call as union with self.
    >>> If i m 'lost' in this 'union', does the external matters? Whehter i m sitting in grp-meditation or attending bdy party, dont u think that the relationship with Almighty is individual?


    This simply void’s the concept of preceptor and group meditation and Chari’s birthday bash good to see that you are moving closer to libration from mind control of SRCM ; )


    All of us are waiting for your blogs on other famous cults of India...

    For that I need to become one of them first understand its pro’s and corns and then if I find it dangerous enough I will defiantly come up with another blog like this, as of now, SRCM is evil enough to counter.

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  48. Dear Shashwat,

    Thanks for your reply.
    My best wishes for your great work.
    The language used by you, the content & the presentation of your thoughts clearly indicates the highl levels. I can only apologize for wasting your time, which i am sure, the low level zombie like me wld never repeat.

    Regards
    Sanjiv/

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  49. this is your own statement


    ">> Only honest and true people can b harsh and blunt. I dint say rude or humiliating. If i m corrupt, and my freind show me mirror, is my true freind"

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  50. hi! shaswat can u pl tell me which books of shajmarg have u gone through!which books of philosophy,logic,cult organizations,spritual abuses.
    let me know ur present status of knowledge!

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  51. hi! shaswat can u pl tell me which books of shajmarg have u gone through!




    What difference is that going to make ? will my reading or not reading is going to change the contents of those books ? kindly be content by responding to what i have stated without trying to judge my knowledge of this crap, if it is not evident to you after reading my blog then i cannot give you any answer which will satisfy you, if you want my site to be removed, then kindly prove it wrong.



    which books of philosophy,logic,cult organizations,spritual abuses.
    let me know ur present status of knowledge!

    I am not writing a book where i need to publish any biblography !!! answer my challange, with all the knowledges that you have gained from those costly messages from your brighter world, read previous discussions before making any new comment

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  52. there r so many cults ,why this only?

    its my sweet will !!! if you have any problem just establish whatever i have stated as wrong probably i will target another cult of your choise if i am proved wrong here ;)

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  53. shaswat 1 r u a follower of osho rajneesh!

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  54. shaswat 1 r u a follower of osho rajneesh!

    There we go, this demonstrate that you need to follow some-1 or the other !!! why do you think that we need to be member of some cult in order to grow ? pls answer why are you sooo concerned as to wht i do what i eat or where i live or what i read blabh blabh... hey take a braek from me if you have any problem with my site just establish that it is false, it will be removed, till the time it is not established as false take it as truth. and pls don't bother about me be concerned about ur good self, i am just expressing my thoughts if you feel they are wrong, then be generous and show me the truth i will accept...

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  55. I am shocked to read the degree of mind alteration this method of meditation can induce. I can hear so much of Chari filtering through the dicussions. It is obvious theres a fear or inability to think for yourself after years of involvment. Its rather pityful to blindly obey anyone. Adulthood allows you to question authority from time to time. Children are more capable of questioning authority than the members of SRCM . Who really benefits from all this? The guru of course, nobody else. Abyasis have a responsibility to inform new recruits openly of the goals set out by the mission. If you are not doing so you should stop this deception towards your friends and family. Do abyasis actually know what the goals are? If so could they please explain it to me on this page. If the object is SELF realization why is it so important to grow membership. Would it not be more wise to let others choose which ever path they wish. Would you like it if someone tried to introduce you or a family member into the moonies via thier your tactics? Did any of you ever question if Chari was really the divine or a fake? If not then you bloody well should have. Is the meditation about reaching god quicker than the rest of society? Whats the rush? If you are so concerned with the state of the poor in India why not ask Chari what best to do? Perhaps he has been too busy returnig emails it skipped his mind some of the SRCM charity money can ease the suffering of many Indian families. Are you all afraid to make such a suggestion? Would it prove you are thinking about something other than him? Further more the divine master may consider providing some education for the ever increasing deprived children of India by allocating places in his schools. Now would that not be more spiritual than simlply criticising anyone and everyone who happens to have professional power and status? Chari reminds me of the Wizard of Oz, hes really only a man and I think it's time you all went home while you still can.

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  56. This is only a mind controlling cult, with sole motive of loving Chari and making donation's, thereby degrading people into unthinking masses same as dangerous animals like snakes scorpions and crocodiles etc. These Zombies are not only a danger to themselves but also to society at large. My success lies in presenting this fact to public, and stimulating the process of thinking intelligence and proper reasoning amongst these zombies and would be zombies. This can be done by using the solid truth, soft, namby-pamby and gooblygoody talks will serve no purpose, hence process of thinking with proper reasoning is must for human growth towards that cosmic intelligence where ultimately we will reach, either in this life or other. And that path is only the path of knowledge, only the path of intelligence and only through proper reasoning’s can one become what is called as spiritual.

    Your input is appreciated a lot.

    Regards
    Shashwat.

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  57. shaswat 1 r u a follower of osho rajneesh!

    I would like to revisit this question. As this is very important for all to know the source of this perticular question. This question is asked by a zombie who is immune to love, this is a girl from India, who is involved with this cult, she use to be close to me as well, and she is involve with this cult since last 7 yrs. for her Chari is her life, her love, her destiny, and for him she can cross any level and defy all the social norms to protect her love, this demonstrate true love.

    My suggestion for her is to remain intact with her love and she need not get involved with any other man, as chari is able to fulfill all her desire's startting from sextual to spritual.

    Only if she could have understood the meaning of love is not to submitt to a cult leader but to fulfill her responsibilities with complete dedication, not to the pesudo Chari but to the authentic person in her life, who happen's to be her husband, i feel pity for her husband and for her as well.

    I will pray for this perticular case. as they both are really very close to me, as a person.

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  58. There is exception in the policy that i had made, wherein i was not suppose to respond to messages left at the comments section, but unfortunatly i have respond to comments left by the girl from India who tried to disguise herself behind fake name of Suraj, here is my line by line response to her.

    u r a person of little knowledge.go and study more.i pity on u

    This education that you want me also to study has taken you to this level that

    1. You have disguised yourself behind a fake name.

    2. You have become immune to love of your husband.

    3. You are on your way to divorce just after 2 yrs of your marrige.

    4. You love Mr Chari more then you love your husband. For sake of Mr Chari you have countered me, knowing very well how close i am to both of you.

    5. Same love you have never been able to develop for your husband result is your emminet divorce.

    6. You continued to love Mr Chari and lying to your husband, manipulating him, using his money behind his back to buy books and CD of your mission.

    7. I am had to become prime witness to your case, dispite my love for your husband, even after efforts i could not save your marrige.

    8. Finally your husband left you, so that you can love Mr Chari without any disturbances.



    u have freedom to think and speak. it is ok .but u dont have fredom to say anybody ZOMBIE.some of them r phd(not btech as in ur caes)in electronics and communication.


    I have demonstrated them to be a zombie, if you disagree then kindly inform us as who else can claim that smoking from butts is spiritual ? or would steel money to buy message's from brighter world. Only a zombie can, education has nothing to do by being a zombie or not, it all depends on the mental strength. My B.Tech degree is from worlds best institute, and has nothing to do wit SRCM.


    mr shaswat!dont u feel that u r also controling the mind of people just by providing them some baseless facts.people r more intelligent than u.u r not an einestein or osho rajneesh


    Dear lady, i am not asking anyone to join any group, nor i am asking anyone to buy any messages from brighter world, nor i am asking anyone to love me. I am simply stating my view's and have even challanged all the zombies to prove it wrong, if it is done, i will remove this site. Mind control on the other hand is that which is used in SRCM you are a live example of it. just see yourself, what you have become due to SRCM.



    i appreciate u that u r logical and want to ward off the fake gurus from society.but i am sorry to say shajmarg is ur wrong target!!


    what makes you feel that Mr Chari is not a fake person, his cultic nature and distructive mind control i have exposed enough in my blog. You are just one of the many products of this mind control of SRCM, you distroyed your family life because of your love for Mr. Chari, now you are blaming me to applying mind control !!! i have pity on your current situation.


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  59. Do you know something????
    Nature never reacts, and the one who reacts is not natural.
    Regards.
    Kavita

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  60. Do you know something????
    Nature never reacts, and the one who reacts is not natural.

    This is something which is absent in SRCM, they react. And this reaction is what is transmitted to all its adherents. Take the case of capture of Shahjahanpur ashram, or the absolute mind control on those who are married to forigen nationals. Chari is hell bent to distroy these poor families who ignorently have falled in his trap, just imagine, Chari asking young girls to love him!!!, take them into their hearts, and love him and meditate on him. Does this not distroys the family life of a person, this perticular case is same, the girl loves wholeheartedly to Chari and is not able to love her husband, as Chari is alrady there.


    Chari for his selfish motives is distroying many many lifes like these, he is not ignorent that he does not know what will be the consequence of these tactics which is use to control people. He is a criminal. and must be punished for distroying so many families. I feel pity in fate of these young womnes who insted of loving their husbands love a pesudo crap, as if spirituality is absent from their family life.

    It is not reaction, it is the law of sequence and the consequence, there is no reaction, but one's deeds coming back to them.

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  61. Hello, I am asking advise from you. My friend is an abyasis I have managed to direct him to the blogs although I prefer to call them dicussions.He has an obssession with ghosts and I am worried about the outcome of these adventures. Am I in any physical danger? Mentally I am just fine. Do you think an abyasis is capable of harming in a physical way due to the teachings. My main worry. Otherwise I can cope very well with the non intellect and feel a lot safer in doing so. If I were in any physical danger I would not proceed with this friendship and ongoing debate with him. Is it possible an under current of hate maybe present in his thoughts towards me. I know this seems exteme but I am aware of the dangers of aggression and do not want to be a victim of it ever again.

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  62. No real man would want a woman to love another than him. No woman would want a man who didn't love only her. A special bond broken in the name of what? Love your husband, boyfriend and family, ask for help when you really need it. Enjoy the life you have been given. Never turn away from the real source of love in your life, look and you will see how much you are really cared for. Look in the right places. I love my abyasis friend only he does not love me, he loves chari and perceptor.He does not however want me to love Chari. He is a man and men do not share thier women with other men. The law of love cannot be broken ,men will prove this injustice by being men again.

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  63. I am asking advise from you. My friend is an abyasis I have managed to direct him to the blogs although I prefer to call them dicussions.He has an obssession with ghosts and I am worried about the outcome of these adventures. Am I in any physical danger? Mentally I am just fine. Do you think an abyasis is capable of harming .....

    I have explained the meaning of zombie to public, also if u read my blog as wht are the possible outcome of discussions with these zombies, they are educated to build their life around Chari, and when anyone counters it, they simply cannot understand that Chari is a fake person, who demands to be loved, to be remembered constantly thereby leaving no scope to zombies to understand and feel love of other's.

    They can and will become physical, as they are suppose to become a copy of Chari, who not only physically assoulted old mens but also the 60+ yr old wife of late Shree Umesh son of Babuji, they have no respect for family, which is evident from the fact they not only mentally troture family members of the person whom they claim is sending them messages from brighter world, but also they become physical with the family members of Babuji, i wonder what type of householder Babuji was that even after knowing that Chari is causing trouble for his family, he is countiniously sending messages to Chari group.

    These people are zombies, be aware of these people, my advise would be if relationship is still at friendship level then get away from it immediatly, as more you countinue, more attached you will be, and more sufferings will result from the eminnent seperation, as they already are in love with Chari and hence they need no one else to love. move away from these zombies.


    This is from personal experince, they have become physical in my knowledge, their mind is under control they are not able to think by themselve, this is eveident from previous discussion, there is pleanty of scope for physical harm while in association with these zombies. May or may not be true for all, but as far as my knowledge goes they have always become physical. they are a direct threat to life also. Hence be very very careful if you are involved with any of these zombies. Caution only can make you safe.

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  64. Why SRCM is harmful for houseHolders


    This topic i have discussed in my main article as well, but i am again providing it here as now people have started to express their actual problems openly.

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    Thes zombies are mentally slave people they are unaware of what is happening to them they tend to blame everyone else about their problems without realizing core of the problem is present in them which is teachings of SRCM. Once they are free from mind control of SRCM they will realize the truth. They fail to understand that no misery is undeserved, if they are in trouble or their marriage is in trouble problem is in them, there is no blame outside, they fail to see that what they are blaming on others is actually their own projection it is their in them since they do not realize that it is their problem and it is them who have to resolve it and not the other person they become more and more miserable. There is no brutality which cannot be conquered by love, but for a person who is immune to love of society family and spouse will fail to read this love and immediately blame others, this also is the outcome of teaching of SRCM. As they all are totally surrended to Mr Chari and love only Mr Chari, as he is in absolute control of their life and there is no scope of any love of any other person.

    Which is why it is so dangerous, and has destroyed so many families and lifes. If a break is applied to spread of this cult, many many more people will end up suffering, only because of their ignorence, that Chari is a biggest cult, a criminal. Who is responsible for distruction of many families and lives.

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  65. Thanks all.

    Im posting this anonymously - have posted on the wikipedia page too. Im a 30 yr old man.

    I am a prime example of the homophobia of the mission. I was in a long term relationship with another guy - we were both abhyasis.

    I don't know how or why, but Chari got my boyfriend engaged to a french woman, and my boyfriend, who was SO TERRIFIED of being cursed by Chari, got married to this girl. Needless to say my life was shattered, and five years after this wedding took place, the couple are on the verge of divorce because obviously, a gay man in a straight marriage will lead to trouble.

    Sahaj Marg leads to ruin - it has ruined my personal life to such an extent that I am FURIOUS AND RAVING ANGRY even all these years later. Chari has NO UNDERSTANDING of human relationships, and his OBSESSION with getting people married has sunk so low, he is even marrying gay people to straight people. DUMB ASS!

    The above story is true. Even if youre not an activist of gay rights, you can see how DISGUSTINGLY sahaj marg has treated me.

    Its not worth it guys. Leave SRCM.

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  66. Hi Anonymous,
    I have seen ur post on wiki, and am glad that u took this courage of going public and expressing your thought, main problem as why these cults are able to grow and get more people brainwashed is only because those who suffer do not come out and express how stupid and crazy these cults are. Since you were a abhyasi and understand the level of mind control and conditioning which is done in this group on people in name of spirituality you must come out in open and express your thought and explain to the world that this jerk Chari is no divine nor he understands any one’s feeling of love, he is so engrossed in mind control that he forgets that these people have freedom to live a life of their own, he imposes himself on members of this group by demanding that he should be loved, which is against the natural love. Any women who loves Chari is betraying her husband, knowingly or unknowingly, and this is the very reason why marriages in SRCM will never succeed, ask a women member of SRCM will she accept her husband to love another women ? if not then why should her husband accept that she loves Chari? This is stupidity beyond acceptable limits.

    I would strongly request you to come up with a blog and expose this jerk to public, don’t be anonymous any more, have courage and expose this cult, remember always if you really want good for others and you are unselfish, the whole world may stand against you and cannot harm you, it must crumble before the power of the lord himself in you. Express it. Let it be known that this jerk who claims to be divine, and demands love, is no better then a criminal who in your knowledge has destroyed three life, one yours second your boyfriends and third that French lady. Let it be known to the world that this chap is a jerk nothing more then that.
    Hold fast to your soul, all these problems come and eventually go, only your soul is what will remain unaltered, have faith in yourself, do not be dependent on anyone else, only your self. Come out and expose this shit.

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  67. I had to deleate those entries made by the lady from india, as her husband came to know about that. Since i do not wish that their marrige should be broken down because of SRCM, hence i have deleated those posts.

    SRCM is hell bent to break all marriges which happens between a zombie and a non-zombie, incase the non-zombie partener refuses to become a zombie, their marrige cannot survive as the zombie partner will try all her/his best to recrute the non-zombie parter into the "zombieness" as marrige is based on love and in case of SRCM that love is demanded by that jerk chari, and if the non-zombie partner understands that it is more important to love each other then both loving a criminal jerk, they cannot get along togather.

    As the zombie partner who due to their brainwashing and total mind control which they call "transmission", finds it hard to accept the fact that there is a life outside this mind controlling cult hence they cannot get adjusted in their life outside this cult which is their home, they find it very hard to live with a non-zombie person, they during their mind control sessions (sittings) are tought to develop their life around this jerk called Chari, find it almost impossible to live a normal life with a normal person.



    Since this site is to counter that approach of SRCM, hence i will make all possible attemps to make sure that SRCM does not succeed in its motive of growing number of zombies by forcing members to make their spouse and family members also a zombie.

    Can anyone comeup with one example where a zombie has successfully become a normal human ?

    I need to know few people who have understood that there is no brighter world, and those messages are all fake just like the jerk chari, can anyone come forward, wherein she/he has understood that loving spouse is more important then loving a jerk. I need some examples. where it can be demonstrated that these zombies can actually become normal humans if treated properly.

    Kavita, are u happy now ?

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  68. hi! shaswat,i dont understand why r u not againt osho and all other cult but just this mission SRCM

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  69. i read your original post, i agree & disagree with some of ur thougts. i know abt srcm though i didnt practice much.

    some parts that i disagree:

    1. "mental sex" part that u speak abt, i guess this is ur imagination. i am sure that this is not the intention of the system. does it not bother you, if a female preceptor is giving transmission to a male abyasi?

    (a) going by ur philosophy, a male doctor cannot treat a female patient.
    (b) male and female engineers/ scientist cannot think and work in a same project (going by ur theory if meditating together, leads to mental sex. Then, working/thinking together too would lead to the same)

    2. In any spritual practice there cannot be any bias based on gender, etc... So, i am not sure why a woman cannot love master or a teacher, like she loves her father.

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  70. Spreading slander emits a poison, which injures in the first place the teller.
    One day there will be the saying, “Law of Nature (Sequence and the Consequence) as applied” -to Sashwat.

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  71. i read your original post, i agree & disagree with some of ur thougts. i know abt srcm though i didnt practice much.

    some parts that i disagree:

    1. "mental sex" part that u speak abt, i guess this is ur imagination. i am sure that this is not the intention of the system. does it not bother you, if a female preceptor is giving transmission to a male abyasi?


    If the system was a genuine one then there is no issue, more-over for any married male or a female, meditating with anyone other then his/her spouse makes no sense, spirituality is not confined within any preceptor, same Lord is present in husband/wife as well, hence there is no need as such to meditate with another male / female. What is this transmission that you are talking about ? can you pls explain ? how is this different from mental sex ? A married women or a men, meditating with some-one who is not his/her spouse, will it not lead more emotional attachment towards the person with whom you meditate then the person with whom you do not meditate. Do you understand as why all Hindu rituals are performed with spouse only why ?

    Because this lead to more closeness between spouse, what SRCM does is, by forcing people not to meditate with their spouse but with another man/women, how ethical this is ? in name of spirituality they are forcing people to get close to some-1 other then whom they should be.


    (a) going by ur philosophy, a male doctor cannot treat a female patient.

    Why ? for normal problem a male doctor does treats a female patient, but for problems which are feminist there are female doctors only, in all parts of the world, no society be it open society of Russia or a closed society of Saudi Arabia they have this much of ethics which is absurd according to Sahaj Marg philosophy.




    (b) male and female engineers/ scientist cannot think and work in a same project (going by ur theory if meditating together, leads to mental sex. Then, working/thinking together too would lead to the same)


    That is their profession, they are not getting emotionally involved, as in meditating togather with each other neither they are suppose to record their feeling and share it with their preceptors, This is not even close to spirituality... it cannot be, spiritual person is the most unselfish person but here you see just the oposite, hence this process fully qualifis as mental sex. this is truth hence accept it, engineers, doctors etc are not suppose to meditate togather, and if they do, they are have more then professiona relation.



    2. In any spritual practice there cannot be any bias based on gender, etc... So, i am not sure why a woman cannot love master or a teacher, like she loves her father.


    First thing, he has to be a master, he is self appointed God of this universe, and there is no need for a men or a women to love anyone other then whom they are suppose to, once again, it is not the fact whom you love, but it is more the fact that you love, LOVE itself is more imp. and not the person whom you love. If they had understood this simple truth, they would have never demamded that love master, this is mind control, love simple is enough. try to undersatand difference between natural love and demamded love, you will find out why this is unethical, un-social, and a sin. and is major cause of families breaking down in Sahaj Marg.

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  72. Spreading slander emits a poison, which injures in the first place the teller.
    One day there will be the saying, “Law of Nature (Sequence and the Consequence) as applied” -to Sashwat.




    I would like to make few things clear to you, do u understand what is the sequence ? where do u find the POISION ? what is it that is written in the site ? have u even tried to read it ?

    All that is written in this and all other site as well is “THINK” don’t be a fool, question before accepting, what is the problem which makes you feel that if people start thinking it will be poisonous ????


    Just observe the level you have been degraded to you are saying thinking and questioning is poisonous, more-over do you have any control over my actions ? if what is written is false then kindly establish it, once that is done this site will be removed, why bother about any poison being spread ? if you really feel this site is baseless, then provide the base, if you cannot do that then there is no other way but to accept that this site is speaking the truth, this is the sequence, TRUTH, asking people to think, and same will be the consequence, TRUTH, effect can never be different from the cause, it has to be same.

    Where do you find that this site or any other site is asking people to become fools and buy messages from brighter world ? or to celebrate birthday ? or to accept any-one as master, knowing very well that case is still pending in front of court, if there was any ethics, Chari himself would have waited for the court decision before appointing himself as lord of the universe …


    What’s the hurry ? where do you have to rush ??? you are there where you are suppose to be, and no birthday celebration will ever make to reach anywhere other then the mind controlling cult, wherein you loose your power to think, to decide and judge, before committing to any-one.

    Take a case, there is a girl, not beautiful, but ready to surrender and do what-ever you feel like, you get tempted, but somehow, some-where you had heard that this girl might be infected by AIDS. What would you do ? give it a try ? or instead try something else… my message is simple BE-AWARE. That all.

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  73. Thank you, this is the first time I visited the other sahaj marg site. It says nothing in detail about meditation, transmission or cleaning - the process that Revered Babuji had used.

    This can be done only by a person who has been permitted to do that for the good of the society.
    If Revered Babuji wanted to put someone other than Shri Chariji he would have trained them. which was not the case.

    I believe that you were in SRCM for quite some time and had an oppurtunity to be very close to Master so it is not necessary for me to tell you about our Master. Is it not interesting that our Master Srhi Chariji did not speak much about the other wing. dont you think that this silence is admirable.

    It needs courage to say what you feel and you have done it. It also shows your concern for our society which is very good. I feel that there is no need to prove you wrong, because the important question is "What is right and nor who is right".

    To find an answer to this question you may have to recall the situation due to which you had to leave the mission. If you find it difficult you need not tell me about it, But pls think about what had happened and then decide whether it was an aweakinign or some error that had happened to due to minor ego problems.

    I know that you have read a lot about Swami Vivekananda, Kindly recollect that Shri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had to touch his chest with the thumb of his feet to awaken him. There are many more examples but that will make this letter very lengthy.
    I personally feel that what abhyasis do for the Master is out of love for him and not an act of slavery. For I feel that our Master does not create slaves, but he creates Masters only.

    Thank you once again,
    It is not importat on whether you publish this or not, but what is important is whether you think about it.

    With love
    Krishna Praveen

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  74. Thank you, this is the first time I visited the other sahaj marg site. It says nothing in detail about meditation, transmission or cleaning - the process that Revered Babuji had used.



    this is hypnosis, transmission, cleaning, meditation is not worth trying according to Mr. Chari, see the reference above. SRCM is a cult which applies mind control over people to make them fools, for its selfish motive.

    For spirituality to grow first thing is freedom, no identification, SRCM is just the opposite of this. It has nothing to do with spirituality.



    This can be done only by a person who has been permitted to do that for the good of the society.
    If Revered Babuji wanted to put someone other than Shri Chariji he would have trained them. which was not the case.


    What makes you feel that we need permission to become spiritual ? this is what SRCM makes people SLAVES, whereas you think this is freedom, and this is because of mind control of this group, due to which you feel the opposite, you think one needs permission to become spiritual or to know your self, you first ask permission.

    You think you need training and permission to know your true self. On the contrary, it is a process of unlearning, when you unlearn all process all conditioning and all identifications as dropped then you come face to face to your true self, prior to that you are simply a zombie of SRCM. Having no free will.




    I believe that you were in SRCM for quite some time and had an oppurtunity to be very close to Master so it is not necessary for me to tell you about our Master. Is it not interesting that our Master Srhi Chariji did not speak much about the other wing. dont you think that this silence is admirable.


    How much time I have spent or not has nothing to do with what is written, incase you disagree then kindly establish it wrong, it will be removed.

    What makes you feel that there is silence ? if that was the case, one would have understood , kindly have a look at the number of court case going on, also their attempt on silencing critics and their physical assault on family members of babuji, Chari’s so called master, if you are in your normal sense, can you imagine, any sane person can physically assault a 60+ yrs old women that too just to capture a property ? and this is spiritual … this again is outcome of mind control, since you do not have free will hence you are not able to see things properly. Get out of this mind control, things will become clear to you.



    It needs courage to say what you feel and you have done it. It also shows your concern for our society which is very good. I feel that there is no need to prove you wrong, because the important question is "What is right and nor who is right".



    that’s ok, but since here question is again same, what is right is directly proportional to who is right, hence even though we do want but cannot avoid this question. We need to understand what is right, that we can reach after passing this question of who is right.



    To find an answer to this question you may have to recall the situation due to which you had to leave the mission. If you find it difficult you need not tell me about it, But pls think about what had happened and then decide whether it was an aweakinign or some error that had happened to due to minor ego problems.

    Do you think we need to join any group as such to know our self ? this is cult mentality, we need nothing to know ourself, if we are able to become simple, content and happy with whatever little we have, we are spiritual, we don’t need any positive energy for 3 days in a year (22nd july to 25 july) its already there and if we search for it, in tiripur or raipur then we are lost. It is there in our home. We don’t have to join or leave any group as such. Simply being content with ourself will serve the cause.





    I know that you have read a lot about Swami Vivekananda, Kindly recollect that Shri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had to touch his chest with the thumb of his feet to awaken him. There are many more examples but that will make this letter very lengthy.



    Pls read previous debates, I m not here to discuss SV. If you want to leave any comment then there is another link for that. This is discussion forum. And I have stated again and again that SV or RK are not the topic of discussion here, we can discuss their communication via brighter world and then may be we can try to understand what they said when they were available for all, as of now, according to Mr. Chari they are exclusive property of his brighter world and access to that brighter world is confined within an unnamed French lady. You call it spiritual I call it foolishness and mind control tactics. This is stupidity, knowledge cannot be gained by becoming a fool, kindly read my section on intelligence, there I have tried to explain this gooblygoody concept of SRCM.



    I personally feel that what abhyasis do for the Master is out of love for him and not an act of slavery. For I feel that our Master does not create slaves, but he creates Masters only.


    What is wrong if you dedicate yourself to your parents ? is that going to cause any harm ? or if you confine your love to your spouse will that make you degraded ? if you are married, then you must dedicate yourself to your family and nothing else, all other love that is demanded is cultic approach, and is outcome of foolishness of victims. We are trying to expose this only. You don’t need to love a criminal to become spiritual. If you do then you are a fool, and this site is for those people only so that they can realize that they are not only causing harm to themselves but also their family and society at large.

    Refer to cult material I have provided. Do spend some time on reading my site. This will help you understand SRCM better, from a different prospective, once you have all the information then you are free to decide. But first test, verify, and then commit.




    Thank you once again,
    It is not importat on whether you publish this or not, but what is important is whether you think about it.


    I am still thinking and, only after many thoughts and counter thoughts I reached to this stage wherein it was necessary to expose this cult and unmask its true face. If you understand then help others as well to understand this cult better.




    With love
    Krishna Praveen


    Without love

    Shashwat

    pls note, i cannot love everyone, till i have learned to love those who love me, if i say love then i m fooling, and i don't want to fool people coz i don't want to be fooled either.

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  75. Do you become a perceptor when you have communicated with a ghost and I mean verbally in SRCM. This is absurd. Ghosts are dead and cannot talk.Is this really how it works? Please tell me otherwise since this is of no sense at all. My friend is in this abyss. How to see clearness from ghosts is impossible when the mind has become this stupid bubble of supernatural nonsense.

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  76. A new ashram in Berlin seemingly a myrical, to buy property with money is not a myrical its a property deal.Shaming abyasis by referring them to footballs to be kicked around is just plain offensive. Abyasis should take note of what is coming to them in the future. Chari group mean what they say.You all will get kicked around. For his goal not yours. Remember you are just the ball in his ambitions nothing more and nothing less.They told you that in their own words,take notice of what is being said about you and to you.Nobody should let anyone kick them around full stop.

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  77. Do you become a perceptor when you have communicated with a ghost and I mean verbally in SRCM...



    Well all messages from brighter world which are sold @ $250 per 600 messages are from ghosts only, to become divine according to Mr. Chari is to become similar to master, since Babuji also use to communicate with ghosts hence divinity according to Chari group is the capability to talk with dead people.

    They are all same, TRANSMITTED, they have lost their reasoning and thinking power, but with their will power they can overcome this cult control, initially there can be some physical problems like head-ache, and uneasyness etc, as this TRANSMISSION is same as drug addiction, that can also be overcome with proper treatment, and commitment from the victim, that he/she will never get involved with this cult, over a period of time, these physical problems as well as emotional problems will be gone, and one can become absolutly free and start enjoying his/her life as a normal person, that is very much possible.


    But commitment is needed from the victim's side, he/she must understand that they are trying to get rid of a habbit, as in case of all other habbits this too can be conqured with dedication and commitment.

    Peace happyness and freedom to all.

    Regards
    Shashwat

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  78. If we observe properly, Mr. Chari's claim that he is divine and is of divine essense is false according to his own statement.

    How ?

    According to Chari's Sahaj Marg, divinity that all cult members look for is becoming similar to their master, Chari claims that Babuji is his master, at the same time, he is not similar to Babuji in the sense that he is not able to talk to ghosts as babuji use to do, hence he is not same as babuji, therefore he is not a master of Sahaj Marg linage, this exposes another lie of this group. !!

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  79. yes,i agree with our ananymous friend you need a good doctor

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  80. get yourself a good bangkok massage to clear all the ill effects and get all your chakras cleaned

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  81. yes,i agree with our ananymous friend you need a good doctor



    This mindset can be understood, all those who do not beleive in fairy tales of brighter world or message from some unknown french lady, do need a doctor, this stand can be understood and demonstrate the mental level that members of Sahaj Marg are degraded to, well your list will have to include member's of Committee formed by french govt. which has listed this group as mind controlling cult harmful for people, also probably you may wish to send entire belgium government to hospital as they have placed this group as a cult.

    This can be understood. This is outcome of TRANSMISSION nothing else.

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  82. for those who don't what above anonymous is talking about here is the link

    http://tmtindia.blogspot.com/2007/01/justice-should-be-for-all-not-only-for.html

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  83. get yourself a good bangkok massage to clear all the ill effects and get all your chakras cleaned

    Seems to be a good idea, but that massage will not be for "cleaning" as such, but only for physical pleasure. hope to see you in bankok.

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  84. My Discussion on other forum, about SRCM, comments are welcome here too.



    Feeling good, TRANSMISSION
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    People brainwashed by SRCM feel very good after transmission, why ? we must try and find out the reason, an analysis of the subject would revel that this feeling which is good, or what they call elevation is similar to the feeling what a drug addict has, he also feels bliss and reaches a state which he cannot explain, the magnitude of enjoyment while under influence of drugs is highly intoxicating, and those who start taking initially get addicted to this feeling of what they call divine bliss and then the drug captures their body, after a certain stage they cannot leave drugs even if they want to, they will begin to feel uneasy, and can do anything to get hold of drugs, same is the case with SRCM zombie’s, once the feelings capture your body and mind, you become slave and it takes a drug re-habilitation center to make you normal.

    No call for reasoning, no emotional appeal can break through their armor of this self proclaimed joy, next question is what is wrong if a person feels good ? why should we oppose things which people enjoy ? this question must also be answered.

    Once addicted, if they do not get transmission they will eventually feel bad and will not be able to get comfortable with their normal life, their mind is totally intoxicated with transmission, a person in a similar state of mind who is slave to such desires is very very dangerous, one such example is suicide bomber’s, can a normal person become a suicide bomber ? it is not possible till his mind is not fully controlled and operated by selfish people, and this is the state of a zombie.

    As the drug depreciated reasoning power, decision making capability an normal operations of life similarly transmission also takes away these normal thinking power, no human being in his normal state of mind, can buy this dogma of brighter world, no person in normal state of mind will accept that Chari’s wife is sending messages from brighter world, next question, how is it possible that people are not even able to question such obvious things ?

    Answer is brainwashing, mind control, they are subjected to such a great level of mind control that eventually they loose all their power to question in life, and hence they create problems not only for themselves but also for people around them, feeling are not spirituality. The state of ecstasy experienced by few enlighten people, is explained as neither joy nor suffering, it is a feeling-less state and any feeling is hindrance to that state which is termed as enlightenment, that is the state of absolute knowledge, absolute truth and absolute bliss. “Sat-chit-anand” that cannot be transmitted but only experienced through the process of un-learning, when all learned explanation of God and divinity is dropped only then can true self can be understood, as learning is the only object which causes deviations from truth, as truth is already present, we need not learn it.

    This state of bliss according to Chari group can be learned by “regulating the mind” changing the object of attachment, from family to Chair, and this is how one can become divine, this is stupidity, attachment is still there, which is cause of suffering, only those who do not want to suffer must not get attached, replacing attachment is a selfish act, in this way the person who is not able to decide and has become a zombie due to transmission, will suffer eternally, as he/she has some or the other object of attachment such as spouse children pets etc. and this attachment is authentic, it causes pain no-doubt, but it is this attachment only which cause pleasure also, and that person who has never experienced love, has never been attached, escapes all miseries as well, but is no better then a wall, s/he is a dead man, life is there to be enjoyed, it must be experienced, with all the power of attachment, and sufferings, as well, there is no escaping, only suffering can make us feel pleasure, only pain can tell us what is bliss, without one second does not exist, and this is what is explained in the concept of “advitya” non-dual. All is same.

    With your will power you can get de-addicted to this transmission, start thinking and become normal. Life is not to be destroyed for a group, or a mission, it worth a lot more then any mission, any master or any method, getup and realize your self, it is not for mission method or master, it is for you



    you right buddy that this transmission intoxicates one's brain and gets them addicted. But while giving first 3 sitting any preceptor does not speak any type of suggetions to control your mind. They just say that "think there is a diving light in your heart" that's it. no more suggestions. So how they control once mind? And why chariji is doing these type of activities?? What is his goal?





    Question that we all should ask is WHAT WHY AND HOW.


    What is mind control ?



    To understand the basic we can refer to advertisements, commercial’s are the very primary kind of mind control, where you are encouraged to buy things which you don’t need, very basic definition of mind control would be that state of mind where people do not decide but act according to wish of those who are controlling them, this control can be direct as in case of cult groups, or indirect as in case of advertisements, here you own decision making capabilities are suppressed and you are moved or act according to what you are dictated to. This is a crude definition of mind control.

    Why SRCM or Chari to be specific is doing this ?

    This is obvious, allow me to illustrate this with an example, suppose a person named A reads few book and come to know about certain things from here and there, and then, A publish a book, or advertises himself as some-one highly knowledgeable, few people seeking information about that subject come read it and get impressed by it, few of them, who have accepted themselves as something mean and low graded will immediately accept that person as someone higher, and start admiring him, and become his advertisement agent, they in turn go round the world advertising A.

    Now A is a selfish person, he wants to be worshipped, to be regarded as higher then rest of humanity gets highly intoxicated by this place where the low graded people (they can be called as animals) have placed him, his ego become so much big, that he claimed himself to be the sole representative of God on earth, and wants to be worshipped, hence he start selling his posters to his foolish disciples, claims that on his birthday he will spread divinity to those who come, and replaces himself with God. This lust for power and greed to be worshipped has demolished many people, Chari is no exception, another such example is Mata Nirmala Devi, that’s another Sahaj, they call it Sahaj Yoga

    Chari is doing this only because he is highly selfish, and himself is unable to decide what should be done, he is just a normal person like us, just that he is intoxicated by lust for power, who does not like to be worshipped, who does not want slaves around him, all selfish people do the same.

    The proof:-

    We all know that there is a case pending in supreme court of India, about succession of Chari, if he was unselfish, he could have waited for that decision to come out and then may be he could have continued with this operation of spreading the message of babuji, but on the contrary we find that he is not only appointed himself as divine representative of God, but is also indulged in physically assaulting family members of the same person whom he claims that he love and is spreading his message, no unselfish person would indulge in

    1. Court cases about property

    2. Physical assault on babuji's family

    3. Demanding love

    4. Asking people to surrender there free will, without esablishing his credentials that, that surrender will not be used for his selfish motive.

    Rajeev here demonstrated that, he is product of that selfish motive of Chari, and has been converted into an unthinking person. Selfishness and lust for power money and wordly comfort is what made chari do what he is doing.


    Now this does not mean that there are/were no enlighten masters there are/were. But they on their journey towards self, realized this at the first step itself, and never claimed to representing divinity, they are always a servant to society, and master of their own self, they were people like Mahaveera, Tirthankara, Ramkrishna and Vivekananda, after they left their body, their pictures came into existence, they never allowed themselves to be worshipped, while they were preaching, and there is nothing that is preached in SRCM, only divine masters and nothing else, hence people also are unable to do anything beyond their divine masters.

    One example of absolute unselfish nature is that of Mahaveera, the Jain guru, he use to put condition for begging, some of them were very absurd one, for example, once that condition was, he would accept food only from a princess who is chained, he did not eat for 13 days, he challenged existence, and said he will live only till that time, till existence wants him to live no master of past, used money

    Now the last question How.

    Sitting is a condition where supposedly Chari transmits divine energy from his heart to cult member’s heart via preceptor’s heart, this transmission is not possible till the cult member does not become receptive, once the member becomes receptive, he looses control over his mind, and all reasoning and logical thinking is dropped and state of absolute surrender is achieved, more absolute this surrender is, more ecstasy is experienced, this however is not divine, but simply a state of dizziness, where the cult member looses control over self, the situation is similar to what I have explained before, state of a drug addict, nothing in this world can convince that drug addict that this is harmful, not only mentally but also physically, since they surrender their mind, which becomes a habit, and hence they loose their power to think, question, and decide from right to wrong, in the world they live, feeling that something divine is happening to them and hence get addicted to it, whereas nothing divine is happening here, they are simply loosing their normal human capabilities, which they have named as cleaning, knowledge on the other-hand cannot come by this surrender, it is used for selfish motives of the person to whom you have surrendered, this knowledge of self can only come through question, going beyond mind, and to go beyond you HAVE to pass through, you cannot go in the reverse direction and claim that now I am beyond mind, infect you have become a zombie, that person is also beyond mind, but in the reverse direction.

    Now as previously explained the state of surrender is needed, and when this takes place between a male and female, in the condition where male is transmitting and female is receiving, is the condition what I call as mental sex, some people object to this term very strongly, as why do I call this as “mental sex” however you must remember, the biggest offender is truth, can there be any other name to this process ? a female receiving and a male transmitting ? in physical plane as well, this is what is sex, and hence on this plane as well, hence the pre-fix mental is added and not only sex, coz sex as we understand is on physical plane, now those who are doing this unknowingly betraying their partner’s, such a marriage can never survive, where husband and wife meditate with other person’s, harmony is lost, balance of love is lost, and hence divorce, they fail to understand the core reason behind problems in their life’s, and tend to blame to everything they can find, but since it was not the problem hence problem remains and trouble continues.

    This is how, Chari for his selfish motive is destroying life’s after life’s and demolishing families after families, they want isolation of the member, they want people to be emotionally at unrest, because only such a person will tend towards such cult’s who seek refuge from world, they are week people to start with, and become more and more week as they remain in this cult. After having seen many lives after lives getting demolished by this cultic thinking I have taken up this task of exposing this dangerous cult, and I will not leave this cult before it pay’s for the pains of those to whom, it has caused tremendous pain and suffering.

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  85. Hi, This is an anonymous post because i do not want my identity revealed, I do not want my identity revealed because I do not know which side of this debate do I relate to. I have seen comments from the Shashwat and camp and many a times they get personal at the same time there are comments from the Abhyasis who seem to have blinded themselves in I don't know what faith. I can understand that total surrender may be necessary for growth, but I can not understand a "MASTER" expecting total surrender. That's where the problem is with sahajmarg, it does expect its followers to give up all logic and intelligence and intellect. Expecting is one thing, encouraging would be a mild word, the fact is that in sahaj marg people are forced to give up intelligence and subscribe to anything that Mr Chari may have to say. That's not all, Mr Chari himself makes contradictory statements (I am not speaking with references here but I can provide them if the need be) and what he says is a word from GOD you know, at least thats how it is supposed to be treated in sahaj marg, if you dont do that you are not a good abhyasi. From sahaj marg literature it is never clear as to what is a good abhyasi, one who does abhyas or one who obeys master without quetions.

    Abhyasis in sahaj marg are no doubt in trouble I know many of them, abhyasis who do not know what to do because there is a cocophony of voices, all representing the devine, the presceptors have mugged up whats there in the books and are not capable of handling any intelligent questions.

    Sahaj Marg Literature talks about testing the Guru, at least REALITY at DAWN does talk about making sure about what you are doing, but that is just not possible in sahaj Marg today. There is no way you can meet the MASTER, and the MAsTER cares a damn about you if you dont have billions to denote in donations, believe it or not that's a fact.

    Donations are attracted in variious different ways, like if you pay 50k we will arrange a meeting for you with the MASTER, another lure thats given is, "though sahaj marg literature says that it does not help materially, the fact is when people donate they grow, and some examples are given" Nothing new all kinds of tactics are used. Sahaj marg says it provides free food, and then there is a "aFREE FOOD program where in people are supposed to donate for others." And yes there are soft targets, IT professionals are the soft targets. Its dirty, its filthy.


    Master is always surrounded by the most corrupt who donate in millions and billions, and his grace is howered upon them, and they make more millions for the master. This is a fact believe it or not.

    Sahaj marg today has become so dirty that you can not face it, it stinks, and as chariji once said "today's colleges are hot beds of corruption" I would say today's SRCM is a hot bed of all kinds of corruption.

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  86. by the way you can call me infinite, know i dont claim to be infinite, but thats what my name translates to

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  87. spirituality and Guru seems to be a meaningless exercise.... it does not lead you anywahere, its a frustrating affair and almost always makes one feel frustrated, betrayed, paralysed at least thats how i feel today in sahaj marg.

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  88. You were/are/will be a free person, take Sahaj Marg as just a bad dream, forget about sahaj marg and start afresh, life is beautiful, do not get conditioned any more, be a free person, there is no need to love any MASTER as such, nor there is any need to hate any MASTER as such, we all are doing things for a purpose, some have selfish motives, some do it for sake of it.

    I will not comment on your observation, however i will make one point clear, SRCM is an organization, with close to 200,000 people infected by it, and i am just a 27 yrs young!! engineer, working and earning my living, i have nothing to gain or loose from Sahaj Marg, as you have seen people troubled, i have seen people shattered, i have seen people with nothing left in them, they have become what Sahaj Marg promises, a Living dead . That should be prevented, all cults are made up of people who are unable to discriminate between wrong and right, my attempt is only to provide a platform where people can start questioning, once reasoning/questioning is done, one will come face to face with truth, and that will be a personal experience, some may feel bad, like you are feeling, some may feel that they have been saved!!, some may even simply drop SRCM from their life and move on. Some may even come out drop all their fear and expose this cult, micheal and Don are examples.

    Departure varies from people to people, let it be smooth.

    Regards
    Shashwat

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  89. A short story. I met a man at a training day and we became friends. He contantly asked me out and eventually I accepted. We quickly became intimate a mistake maybe but on both sides. It happened we are both in our fortys and don't need permission any more. We have since then remained intimate for nearly two years during which time I found out he was in this cult. I cannot tell you how many times I have cried over the hold this cult has over the members. Neither could I put it in writing the hurt it causes towards all comcerned.The ultimate pain does and will remain with the followers who are unfortunatley caught in a trap of seduction and ruthless egotism. I do not feel the pain so bad now after studying cults in general I just hold my own ground. I must sress however I am sitting back watching a man in pain and it is not easy. My life goes on reguardless but I will stay around when life goes bad and he need someone to turn to, Chari for all he stands for cannot do that.

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  90. Hi Shashwat and all,

    Please follow your own experiences and come to a conclusion and do not try to force your experiences on other abyasis. I am a fellow abyasi of ISRC, following raja yoga vigorously from last 2yrs ,I did not face any family problems and I proudly say that I was introduced into the system through my wife family.
    I have joined into ISRC in 2004 then I felt it was a totally new to me and was difficult to digest for at least 1yr, then in 2005, I started reading the masters book "EFFICASSY OF "RAJAYOGA which gave me encouragement to practice it fairly. Then, I started following the methods mentioned in the book sincerely due to complexity of thoughts in the meditation and also due to my own created imaginations, it took me 6 months to learn the meditation, then I approached the preceptor who introduced me into this system, was willing to offer me service through emails but not in-absentia sittings since he was not a qualified trainer. I have followed again another 6 months till aug 2006 in this 1yr of practice, though I practiced regularly, I did not find any change in me and was thinking to leave the system due to lack of sittings but during that time, I went to India and approached Sri K.C.Narayana, who is currently running ISRC, understood my situation requested one of the preceptor to give us individual sittings. I was given daily sittings for 1 week and satsanghs with K.C.Narayana sir everyday, first sitting itself given me enough satisfaction and courage to trust the system.
    Now, I am taking long distance individual sittings from a highly qualified trainer on every Saturday. I am feeling every sitting is different and receptivity to pranahuti is increasing. I am able to maintain the condition which is given in the meditation at least 3 days. I am feeling slowly transformation is taking place. I can boldly say that I have experienced samadhi, deep sleep and one with master’s states only in 8 months of time in sittings. In normal days, I do not feel pleasant and observing high resistance in meditations. Once we taste the sweet can we leave it.? Same thing with me I cannot leave this system even if god says this is not correct. I am satisfied practically.
    so, my earnest request is please give a fair trail and take sittings from competent trainer every week then come to a conclusion over a period of time.

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  91. Dear Akila,

    Your input is a boon to us, this is what we have been trying to explain, this concept of sitting, which we call as mental sex, is addictive, it makes you slave, and you cannot leave it even if you want to, as you have become totally dependent on it, is dependence spirituality ? or freedom from all dependencies ? what is the difference between a drug addict and you, both feel uneasy if they do not get that which makes them feel good. Pls read explanation of this situation of your’s which is available above. See “feeling good transmission section” I will place that in my main site as well now.

    This is what we are trying to expose, this is very dangerous as it makes one addictive to it, and one become slave to this TRANSMISSION. And this slavery inturn takes away power to think and decide, and one become totally immune to all understanding and emotions except this, and this is what is the state of a ZOMBIE.

    I will demonstrate one aspect here, as where you failed to read and understand, the site, this discussion and entire setup is not against ISRC at all, it has just reference to it, this page is about Chari group, why do you think there is need for another group doing same thing, claiming both are spreading same message, same technique ? why two groups ? ISRC was formed in 1992 when difference between Chari and K.C Narayan arose, if they are of divine essence how come they can be slave to such human mis-understanding that both running their own organizations claiming spreading divinity by their own methods ? don’t you see this is a clear case of greed ? and can there is any spirituality associated with greed for money organization or groups ? think and understand, you can become free there is nothing impossible in this world.

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  92. I have added feeling good transmission section in my site as well, pls go through it here
    www.geocities.com/sha211_211/srcm.html

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