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A Checklist on Cults
[From a brochure by Info-Cult, Resource Center on Cultic Thinking, 5655, Park Avenue, Suite 305, Montreal, Quebec H2V 4H2, Tel.: (514) 274-2333, Fax.: (514) 274-7576]
In recent years, there has been marked increase in the number of new religious movements, self-help/human potential groups/courses, alternative lifestyle and neo-political groups. Many of these organizations have been beneficial to their members and/or clients. Others, however, have raised certain questions concerning their recruitment and fundraising practices, treatment of their members, etc.
If you are approached by someone who invites you to participate in a meeting, program, event, etc., the following questions may help prevent you from being recruited by a cult.
These questions work best when asked in a very direct and friendly manner. Be alert to vague responses or a response that ``all your questions will be answered at a later time.''
How long have you been involved?
Are you trying to recruit me into any type of organization?
What is the official name or your organization and does it go under any other names? If so, what are they?
What are your group's beliefs?
Are members allowed to lie in certain situations?
What are members expected to do once they join?
Do I have to quit school or work, donate money and property and/or cut myself off from family and friends who are not in agreement with my being a member?
Is your group considered to be controversial by anyone? If so, what are the main criticisms?
How do you feel about former members of your group?
Does your group allow communication with them and if not, why?
Do you know any people who have left your organization? If so, have you ever spoken to them and found out why they left?
What are the things you like least about the group?
Never give your name and address to someone that you suspect might be involved in a cult.
If the person is a member of a cult you may ask yourself, ``have they replied to my questions honestly?''
If you discover at a later date that they have deceived you, then you should have very serious questions about getting further involved.
Cults: Selected Bibliography
Books: (partial list; * means "not in Info-Cult's bibliography")
Galanter, Marc, editor. 1989. Cults and New Religious Movements: a report of the American Psychiatric Association. Washington, American Psychiatric Association.
Galanter, Marc, 1989. Cults, faith, healing, and coercion. New York Oxford University Press.
Hassan, Steve. 1988. Combating cult mind control. Rochester Vermont, Park Street Press.
Langone, Michael D., editor. 1993. Recovery from cults: help for victims of psychological and spiritual abuse. New York, W.W. Norton & Company.
Martin, Dr. Paul R., 1993. Cult proofing your kids. Grand Rapids, Michigan, Zondervan Publishing House.
Cialdini, Robert B., 1984. Influence: How and Why People Agree to Things 1st ed. New York: Morrow.*
Books Critical of Sahaja Yoga by people who had personal experience with it:
Pullar, Philippa, 1984. The Shortest Journey. Boston: Unwin Paperbacks. ISBN 0-04-291018-8.*
Kakar, Sudhir M.D. 1982. Shamans, Mystics and Doctors: A Psychological Inquiry.*
Marks of a Destructive Cult
[From a leaflet issued by the Cult Awareness Network, before they were transformed into a front for the Church of Scientology.]
Mind Control (undue influence)
[SRCM] Yes mind is control by presure of obeying the master, and following him, master here is decleared as divine, definatly YES
Manipulation by use of coercive persuasion or behavior modification techniques without informed consent
[SRCM] YES adherents are asked not to react or show love
Charismatic Leadership
[SRCM] I don't feel Chari has any charisma but people involved think he has so answer is YES
Claiming divinity or special knowledge and demanding unquestioning obedience with power and privilege. Leadership may consist of one individual or a small core of leaders
[SRCM] Yes master is decleared to be of divine essense.
Deception
Recruiting and fundraising with hidden objectives and without full disclosure of the use of mind controlling techniques; use of ``front groups''
[SRCM] YES here front groups are called as perceptors everything is not disclosed that people are expected to pay vist to functions and follow master where-ever he moves.
Exclusivity
Secretiveness or vagueness by followers regarding activities and beliefs
[SRCM] YES incase of couples if one is part of SRCM they tend not to discuss SRCM with their spouse, rather they prefer their preceptors to discuss issues.
Alienation
[SRCM] YES if family is not supporting vist to function people are incouraged to move alone and de-associate from family.
Separation from family, friends and society, a change in values and substitution of the cult as the new ``family;'' evidence of subtle or abrupt personality changes
[SRCM] Effectively YES, there has been many divorces due to SRCM
Exploitation
Can be financial, physical, or psychological; pressure to give money, to spend a great deal on courses or give excessively to special projects and to engage in inappropriate sexual activities, even child abuse
[SRCM] YES finantial loss in travelling, physical loss in staying in a new town alone
Effecting dependence, promoting goals of the group over the individual and approving unethical behavior while claiming goodness
[SRCM] Definatly YES, master is suppose to be the in the heart of adherents and he is the pnly person in his/her life.
Coercive Cult Techniques
[From Larson's book of cults, Bob Larson (1982), pp 411-412, Wheaton, Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers; or Larson's New Book of Cults (1989), pp 16-18]
Loneliness, indecision, despair, and disappointment are the emotional characteristics cult recruiters notice. They approach the unwary with an excessively friendly invitation to a lecture, free meal, weekend workshop, or other activity offering instant solutions to overwhelming problems. Surprisingly enough, few potential cultists bother to inquire about who is extending the offer, what is behind it, and what functions will take place. Vague answers are seldom challenged, leaving the recruiter an unassailable opportunity to obscure his intentions.
Even given the current anticult climate, few targets of the cults see their future as one of involuntary slavery and physical domination. Before joining any exotic sect, one should be aware of what could result: neurosis, psychosis, suicidal tendencies, guilt, identity confusion, paranoia, hallucinations, loss of free will, intellectual sterility, and diminished capacity of judgment. It will be much easier to avoid such consequences by identifying and recognizing the following psychological forms of "cult-coercion."
Absolute Loyalty
[SRCM] YES loyalty is a must
Allegiance to the sect is demanded and enforced by actual or veiled threats to one's body or eternal spiritual condition.
[SRCM] YES
Altered Diet
[SRCM] YES vegiterien is pramoted, no problems with that
Depriving one of essential nutrients and enforcing a low-protein diet can lead to disorientation and emotional susceptibility.
[SRCM] Not sure tried sometimes
Chanting and Meditation
[SRCM] YES
Objective intellectual input is avoided by countering anticult questions with repetitious songs and chants.
[SRCM]YES
Conformity
Dress, language, names, and interests take on a sameness which erodes individuality.
[SRCM]YES
Doctrinal Confusion
Incomprehensible "truths" are more readily accepted when presented in a complex fashion which encourages rejection of logical thought.
[SRCM]YES, people in SRCM are make mental slaves and are unable to think anything.
Exclusivity
Those outside the cult are viewed as spiritually inferior, creating an exclusive attitude of the self-righteous "we" versus "they" mentality.
[SRCM] definatly YES
Financial Involvement
All or part of one's personal assets may be donated to the cult, increasing a vested interest in sticking-with-it and lessening the chance of returning to a former vocation.
[SRCM] YES
Hypnotic States
Inducing a highly susceptible state of mind may be accomplished by chanting, repetitious singing, or meditation.
[SRCM]YES
Isolation from the Outside
Diminished perception of reality results when one is physically separated from friends, society, and the rational frame of reference in which one has previously functioned.
[SRCM]YES
Lack of Privacy
Reflective, critical thinking is impossible in a setting where cult members are seldom left unattended.
[SRCM] YES
Love Bombing
Physical affection given to new people. Physical affection and constant contrived attention can give a false sense of camaraderie.
[SRCM]YES
Mega-communication
Long, confusing lectures can be an effective tool if the inductee is bombarded with glib rhetoric and catch phrases.
[SRCM]YES, adherent is suppose to be doing sitting (mental sex) with preceptor atleast once in two weeks
New Relationships
Marriage to another cult member and the destruction of past family relationships integrates one fully into the cult "family."
[SRCM]YES group organisation marriages within the community
Nonsensical Activities
Games and other activities with no apparent purpose leave one dependent upon a group or leader to give direction and order.
[SRCM]YES birthday celebration's are held for all the masters
Pavlovian Control
Behavior modification by alternating reward and punishment leads to confusion and dependency.
[SRCM]YES
Peer Pressure
By exploiting one's desire for acceptance, doubts about cult practices can be overcome by offering a sense of belonging to an affirming community.
[SRCM]YES Preceptors must be obeyed
Sensory Deprivation
Fatigue coupled with prolonged activity can make one vulnerable to otherwise offensive beliefs and suggestions.
[SRCM]YES prolonged meditation and group meditations
Surrendered Privacy
The ego's normal emotional defensive mechanisms can easily be stripped away by having the new member share personal secrets which can later be used for intimidation.
[SRCM]YES absolute surrender to master is must
Unquestioning Submission
Acceptance of cult practices/s achieved by discouraging any questions or natural curiosity which may challenge what the leaders propagate.
[SRCM]YES
Value Rejection
As the recruit becomes more integrated into the cult, he is encouraged to denounce the values and beliefs of his former life.
[SRCM]YES, no more religious beliefs
``When you meet the friendliest people you have ever known, who introduce you to the most loving group of people you've ever encountered, and you find the leader to be the most inspired, caring, compassionate and understanding person you've ever met, and then you learn that the cause of the group is something you never dared hope could be accomplished, and all of this sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true! Don't give up your education, your hopes and ambitions, to follow a rainbow.''
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Hi Shashwat...
ReplyDeleteI am familiar with all the groups and individuals you mention and the source of your info. If you want some input, I will give you some here:
There is a "LOVE Bombing" section and question...I think that should be "love bonding"...
You go a lot further than I would in describing this group but it is a "cult of the personality" of the Master. All the questions only apply to Sahaj Marg in some respect as the are not a "monastic" cult as some are, so they cannot and don't want to exert that much control on the "serf" as they call the disciples. The control that I see is more "peer pressure", and wanting to fit in. The meditation technique of "cleansing" is exactly that, getting rid of all attachments. That means everything of the prior life of the "mark". It involves family, relatives, friends, contacts etc... The attempt to inter-marry is exactly that. Even with those who don't marry, the preceptors manipulate to "get them together" by arranging outings and seminars in a group. Once the outing is arranged by the preceptor, the preceptor then bows out (does not attend the outing...in another town), leaving the two "targets" to "bond".
Sahaj Marg is manipulative but it is at the "preceptor" level that the manipulation takes place. They have and still target the Mental health clinics, and women's groups and activities.
Good for you to have the courage to take this on...You might be the one to free us of the Indian version of fundamentalism that us Sahaj Marg as we , once catholics, have taken the absolute religious power away from the Holy Roman Catholic Church. It took centuries for that to happen in Europe and North America but we did not have the INTERNET...
Keep up the good work and keep one eye open onto the outside and one eye onto the INSIDE so as to keep a contact with your ONE!!! That will be the source of your strenght!!!
Cyril Borg
Hi all...
ReplyDeleteFrom Michael's blog...
For those interested in finding out the truth on Lalaji's Sufi lineage and his successors, check out the Lalaji's family blog site.
http://laalaajinilayam.googlepages
.com/home
...and the photos of Chari (very unhappy) with Lalaji's Family, looking like a little boy who got caught with his fingers in the "cookie jar".
Notice that Babuji was not a "preceptor" of Lalaji's, and named himself Lalaji's successor...Much as Chari's controversial "succession"!! It seems that the "dream" and "communication" beyond the grave is an accepted way of denying the wishes of the Masters, as written down in his Will, in the case of Lalaji!!!
http://laalaajinilayam.blogspot.com/
One can confirm this by researching this site on "Naqshbandiyya Sufism" of RK Gupta.
This site mentions the Yogabhyas of Dr Chatterbuy and others of that lineage...
http://www.geocities.com/sufisaints/
Does Spirituality include "moral qualities" such as "honesty"?
What is Sahaj Marg "transmitting" to it's serfs?
What is destroying the "Love, charity and compassion", in the abhysis's family and life, according to Chari, in his speech to Preceptors in Jan. 16-17, 2001??
Research the theology and philosophy and you will find many "fundamental" flaws that philosophers such as Dr Varadachari, warned about before his death.
The Machievellian "the end justifies the means", does not work in "spirituality". The journey to the GREAT MORALITY cannot be full of "IMMORALITIES"...Sahaj Marg is not the "narrow" path to liberation and/or salvation but is the "broad" path to divisions, broken homes and families and eventually, perdition (or loss of TIME!!)
"You're drifting too far from the shore!!" is a Gospel song.
Research and think before it's too late and you are "brain-cleansed" beyond return and/or are not called the "living dead" but the "dead" or RIP (Rise if Possible),or the "left behind"!!
The truth will set us free.
Freedom is never an ally of Tyranny!!
Cyril Borg
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI wonder why all the emphasis on NEW religious movements. Much of Catholocism would fit those categories very nicely as well.
hello,
ReplyDeletei dont now who u r ?
but i came to now that u r in depression.
u dont hav any right to talk about my master n ashram,coz every one now what to do n what they r doing
u r attempt to destroy the reputation would not work
i pity u
Although every person has a right to say what they like, a lot of what has been said is misconstrued or improperly communicated. For example,
ReplyDeleteto run a non-profit organization the persons attending the functions should pay the cost. If it is not financially feasible, whatever amount the person can give is acceptable. If people do not feel like following "The Master" they need not do so. They are never forced to visit Him by non family members.
Additionally, Chariji has said that we must live in the society, do our work diligently, take care of family, serve our community. These are just some fundamentals of the system. To understand the system, we must also understand that we are all human beings and that people may sometimes give us the wrong impressions about the system. To understand Sahaj Marg, we must understand from the heart.
We all have the same God, just different paths towards God and different names for HIM. Some effective, and not all are meant for all persons. Depending on our spiritual level we may choose various avenues.
I am not aware from where you took this information. For some people, this may have been the experience for whatever the reason, but is that because of the person of the system?
This is directly from the Sahaj Marg website:
ReplyDeleteOops, am I joining a cult? Will I be brainwashed into buying their dogma?
No. In fact, Sahaj Marg has no credos, no dogma, no tenets. It is practical and experiential in its approach, and so members are asked not to simply believe what we hear or read, but to observe what we discover within; not to trust the claims of Sahaj Marg, but to test them as thoroughly as we can. Practice is something we do, not something we ponder. Until we realize for ourselves, all the claims of any spiritual practice are only secondhand information. So read and enjoy, do and become!
I dont know why the old fellow still want to celebrate his birthday at this age.
ReplyDeleteWhat he expects an Abhyasi to be slave of master or what.
Stupid perception of a guru indeed.
I dont know why the old fellow still want to celebrate his birthday at this age.
ReplyDeleteWhat he expects an Abhyasi to be slave of master or what.
Stupid perception of a guru indeed.
From what I understand, the day is a special spiritual day. It is more that abhaysis want to celebrate this birthday and take advantage of the spiritual day. The guru doesn't get as much as the people coming. Even though it is his brithday, he has to go through the headache of arranging his own birthday at this age ( I beleieve he is 81). I don't know how many 81 year old people can arrange for 50, 000 people and not complain.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone commenting whole heartedly tried to understand this system?
I have seen people benefit from it immensely from inside and out, top to bottom, others not at all. It depends not only on the person's dedication, as I can see, but also some other factors which are to numerous to be mentioned here.
There needs be an understanding of why things are done. For example, why do people go to church each sunday? The reason they should be going is to be in a godly atmoshphere, to take it in and to retain that when they go home, to help it prevail wherever they may go.
Books by Vivekandada have helped me understand not just Sahaj Marg, but Christainity, Islam, Buddism, etc and their place in society.
Shashwat,
ReplyDeletei think you are totally frustrated doesn't have any idea what you are saying...
You have written "Complete Works of swamy Vivekananda" as you fav book. i don't think you have assimilated a bit of it in you life.
I will leave you in your state and time will tell you the truth.
I like the fact that you try to approach this in a somewhat scientific manner. However there are basic flaws in the criteria that you judge this group by. I can mold my answers to fit all your criteria for almost any religion. So according to your criteria, all religious groups/movements are caused by cults however, nowhere in your criteria does it establish that this is a destructive cult (i.e out to destroy/harm humanity).
ReplyDeleteI guess the best thing is to remain atheist, although the sahaj marg ppl might say that you are not evolved enough to follow the system, but unlike many other groups, they don't go out and aggressively advertise to recruit members
Have you ever met anyone infected with Amway? preceptors of srcm behave exactly that way!!! there are people who leave their job and claim money for the propagating sahaj marg, http://4d-don.blogspot.com/2009/02/sahaj-marg-preceptor-wants-to-be-paid.html
ReplyDeleteThis is totally untrue that they do not persuade people to join, there are some unconfirmed allegations that brainwashed females indulge in prostitution for getting people involved in sahaj marg, one similar report is available on internet where a women claims that she was abused physically coz she was involved in sahaj marg, http://www.allahabadhighcourt.in/ILR/ilr-2004/Jan-Feb2004.pdf
CLARIFICATIONS
ReplyDeleteI had gone through the websites / discussions and the material which been placed in regard to the addressing of the Sahaj Marg System as cult. I want to clarify that this has wrongly been addressed as cult. The Sahaj Marg system is a very pious, holistic and peace loving system for the spiritual upliftment of the humanity at large propagating the feeling of Universal Brotherhood and Harmony. The system is a Rajayoga system based on the Prahauti system taken up by Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Fatehgarh alias Lalajai Maharaj and it has been modified and developed by Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj of Shahjahanpur alias Babuji Maharaj. The literature published and written by Babuji Maharaj shall clarify all the doubts which are in your and in the minds of the persons who have wrongly been following and have joined after 1983 i.e. the Mahasamadhi of Babuji Maharaj.
I would like to clarify one more point about the fight going on in a spiritual society Shri Ram Chandra Mission. It is pertinent to point out to the public at large that it is fight of Dharma and Adharama where on one side it is the parent society with its President Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena who is following the pious system on the guidelines, principles and procedures laid down by Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj. The followers of Babuji Maharaj with its President Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena have been working on the established Byelaws of the society and the law of the country. On the other side it has been wrongly followed by the people represented by P. Rajagopalachari and others who have been following the changed system with a different prayer, different system and different method and against the Constitution of Shri Ram Chandra Mission and have been misleading the public at large. P. Rajagopalachari group has been following the system illegally and wrongly and against the Constitution, Byelaws of the society. I would like to mention here that the people who have been laying allegations against the Sahaj Marg system are the persons who were associated with the P. Rajagopalachari group. I would like to clarify that the people who have been writing against the Sahaj Marg system who have not followed the correct system given by Babuji Maharaj. As Babuji Maharaj says that the Master, Mission and Method are key for the following of the Sahaj Marg system. The people who have been writing against the Sahaj system have followed a different guru/Master, Different Mission and Different Method and these people have not tasted the real Sahaj Marg system till date.
I would like to clarify one more thing considering the pioneer case here that the said story published in the newspaper Pioneer in the year 2002 is a false story which was published with a malafide intention and motive to defame the Guru/Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj, Mission and the Sahaj Marg system. The strict proof and evidence to the same is that the aggrieved person has herself given an Affidavit before the National Human Rights Commission for Women stating that all the allegations against the society, Master/Guru, Method were false and baseless. The statement given by her was given under coercion and influence to defame the society, guru/master, method. The said case has been closed by the National Human Rights Commission for Women after investigation and inquiry vide order dated 29.01.2003. Hence, such allegation and document relied upon are baseless, false and are defaming the society, Guru / Master and the Method and needs to be removed from the Website / discussions with immediate effect with a noting clarifying the reality to the public at large, if you are really fighting for Reality and really portraying reality to the public rather than misguiding..
I would like to clarify one more point that Shri Ram Chandra Mission is a spiritual society and it has nothing to do with the performing of marriages. It is pertinent to mention here that if any marriages are being performed by any person under the banner of the society, the society is not liable for the same since the society aims and objects do not provide for. In fact, in personam any person is liable who is performing the marriages and not the society.
I would further like to clarify that the Guru and Master Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj were always against the performing of rituals as they are hindrances in the upliftment of spiritual field.
I would like to mention that in your website / discussions you have wrongly addressed the prayer given by the almighty and no person has any right to speak of any of the aspect until he/she knows the exact version and meaning of any sermon/prayer enlightened by the almighty for the benefit of the humanity at large. The prayer is not devoid or against any Vedas, Upanishads and Hindu Philosophy. This is for the information of the public at large that there exist person who have done Doctorate in the field of Sahaj Marg and they have done also by being the part of the system and understanding till its depth. Further Shri Ram Chandra Mission and Sahaj Marg system never practises hypnotism among the people but it aims of spreading spirituality by a process of meditation.
I would like to clarify that Shri Ram Chandra Mission has been wrongly depicted by all person who have been raging against the society without having any knowledge about the working of the society Shri Ram Chandra Mission and the Practising of the system named as Sahaj Marg system in its original form and all the allegations in your Sites / discussions have been on the basis of the person who have wrongly propagated the Sahaj Marg system and the society its aims and objectives. The literature of the Founder President has clarified that What is a Transmission and How it can be felt? And in your website / discussions the said aspect has been wrongly understood and explained to the humanity at large which further needs to be rectified and corrected after proper experience with the original system, investigation and inquiry.
I would further like to clarify that the Founder President Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj has clarified the concept of Guru in its literature Reality at Dawn by a separate chapter “GURU” published in the year 1956.
I would further clarify the aspect of Faith and the logic behind have been wrongly understood and propagated by your website / discussions who have been following a wrong Sahaj Marg System and not the Original Sahaj Marg system duly established and followed on the principles, guidelines and procedures laid down by Babuji Maharaj only. It is submitted that the said fruit of the Sahaj Marg system can be availed only if the system is being practised rightly like the people represented by its President Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena have been following.
I would further clarify that all the Warning in respect of Shri Ram Chandra Mission are absolutely frivolous, vexatious and wrong and are totally in violation to the established principles, guidelines and procedures laid down by Babuji Maharaj.
I would further like to clarify that the Do’s and Don’t mentioned in the website / discussions are purely imaginary and are personal in nature and has nothing to do with the society, its system Do’s and Don’t.
I would like to clarify that the video shows as to How to become a cult leader pertaining to the society Shri Ram Chandra Mission is not represented by its parent society Shri Ram Chandra Mission with its President Shri Navneet Kumar Saxena and Founder President Mahatma Shri Ram Chandraji Maharaj alias Babuji Maharaj to move and propagate the Sahaj Marg System in such manner and the said videos are purely personal and are being followed by some person who is not following the right system.
I would further like to clarify to humanity at large that the literature pertaining to Babuji Maharaj is purely original and it has nothing to do with any other society or preachers of spirituality.
I would clarify that the movement against the Sahaj Marg system is a humanely wrong one, if you are an ethical person. The movement should be only against the persons who have been wrongly representing the Sahaj Marg system and the system represented through P. Rajagopalachari, Kasturi Chaturvedi, K. C. Narayanan, Raghavendra Rao. Since all these groups formed are the breakaway of the main group with a grieve to become a Master to be known in the society.
I would further clarify that Mr Dinesh Kumar of Fethgarh has been following system which have no linkage with the society Shri Ram Chandra Mission.
DO NOT GO AGAINST THE SAHAJ MARG SYSTEM AND THE PARENT SOCIETY SHRI RAM CHANDRA MISSION SHAHJAHANPUR BUT GO AGAINST THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE BEEN MISREPRESENTING AND MISLEADING THE PUBLIC AT LARGE WHO ACTUALLY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE PARENT ORIGINAL SAHAJ MARG SYSTEM AND THE SOCIETY LAID DOWN BY BABUJI MAHARAJ.
Shashwat, You have got half baked information. People like you exist at all times. No one beleived Jesus too.
ReplyDeleteWhy are you so against this group, what is your story?
ReplyDeleteNo one beleived Jesus too
ReplyDeletebut people believed in ChandraSwami and likes of Asaram, it was only after their deeds were exposed they are resting behind bar's. Chari is also like ChandraSwami and Asaram, by taking name of Jesus with reference to Chari, it the biggest sin you have committed and have insulting Jesus Christ, its like comparing beautiful innocent rabbits with PIG's.
Good work Sashwat,
ReplyDeleteChari is nothing but a self serving magalomaniacal typical indian senile patriarch. Only he has too many stupid and obidient shravan kumars ready to do anything for him.
I do not blame him for exploiting the abhyasis and perceptors - any swine would exploit fools. I am only wondering how our country produces so many idiots who run after so called god-men like Chari instead of doing something constructive for the country and society.
My own sister is one such idiot who keeps running to Satkhol, Dubai, Singapore and many other such places including Chennai to celebrate the senile idiot's birthday.
She has married another idiot who was also member of the same cult. They have adopted a daughter who i am sure they will train to be an Abhyasi in the near future!
Where will all this end - I do not know. My sister was a bright and brilliant kid earning a lot of money in a leading company in Bangalore. Now she is an automaton - meditating and practicing 'detachment' along with her stupid abhyasi husband.
She was trying to convert me and my small daughter of 10 also into Abhyasis. I had to break all contacts with her to save my daughter from being affected by this flu which is worse than swine flu. In the meanwhile she had already gifted one book to my daughter which preaches hatred towards hindu religion and heaps praise over this cult and its guru.
It raises uncomfortable questions in a 10 year old mind and confuses it thoroughly.
This cult and its preachings are dangerous and the government should take action before it destroys many more lives and relationships.
Shashwat I thing you have no other work on this earth .I HOPE YOU R FAMILIAR WITH THAT SAYING..
ReplyDeleteAN IDLE MIND IS THE WORKSHOP OF DEVIL.SAME IS THE CASE WITH U
Why are you so much concerned about an IDLE (or is it IDEAL) mind?
ReplyDeletedear brother ,
ReplyDeletei pitty u and pray for u.u dont know what an ideal means.had u known u will never do this
Did you pitied yourself? or did you prayed for your own self first? what was the result of it, if you did? whom did you prayed to? a criminal who is on bail? otherwise pity yourself first, pray for yourself first, this blog, and website is for people like you who cannot think for themselves but are parasites.
ReplyDeleteHad you known what you have fallen into, you would have become free from sahaj marg mind control and brainwashing.
What ever the Mahatma Ram Chandraji presented to humanity is real and a fact. But how many are really following the system is a moot question ?
ReplyDeleteSecondly the existince of Mighty Saints of High Calibre is a fact beyond human comprehension. For example the Founder Sage of Raga Yoga had been in swimming 72 generations before raja janak. It means evolution to Ultimate Base is a fact. Much before Lalaji and Babuji Maharaj have come into being this Sage has reached very finer levels of evolution and has left this world with few disciples in this world. who did not make much progress after him.
THis happened in krita yuag the regime of lord rama.
Latter again in Kali Yuga it is the Lalaji and Babuji Maharaj who could make it to those very finer realms of evolution and found that Founder Sage of Raga Yoga there. (Which is given by Babuji Maharaj in his writings openly. and is being acknowledge by all the Masters like svji,lalaji, lord krishnaji etc.,) In between no could reach there. But here the name of that Sage is not given due to reasons not known perhaps for our good.
As I said earlier how many abhyasis in all their sincerity could put all the things necessary in to practice is a moot question ?
SO the teachings of the 'MASTERS' are real. But who is really practicing everything correctly ? Herecomes the problem of individuals each for himself or herself.
K Bala Subrahmanyam (bruh@rediffmail.com)
You have not posted my comment. Due to fear.
ReplyDeleteor Threats ? We must accept the validity of the teachings of the Masters first. The go into the practice and verify for oneself its varicity. The Path of Sages is a most arduous one. No ordinary one knows how to go by that way without the help of a Mahatama who travelled the entire path. We blame the system for our own inability to follow the way. Have courage and pray to the existing holy personalities for help. if possible cry for guidance.
KB Subrahmanyam
Dear Mr. S.
ReplyDeleteHave had a look at yout websites and others - anti Sahaj Marg, in nature.
Allow me a comment please....or is it a standard zombie....? Hee hee.
About 6 points, I think.
1. Yours and others critique's have a certain sociological view into the nature of groups that transmit spirituality and then you contrast this with 'free thinking' and democracy. But it is necessarily, an outsider's view - as you do not practice the meditation - you criticise.
As you do not participate in this continual meditative experience- your focus on the person and the heart of meditation - elude you all, as it must. The distance just keeps on growing between the serious meditator and his critics. The criticism, necessarily becomes superficial.....
2. Your continual criticism can only make one unhappy and even distort, the knowledge that one seeks. The heart absorbs all this negativity and the fine feeling is then lacking - to then discern dynamic reality. Lost in words......
3. Love alone rveals the true nature of everything - because the Beloved, is in ALL His Reality - however big or small. Even what one fears - is revealed only by love. This will always be so and can never be otherwise.
4. You say that you want to free people from SM, but due to your efforts and thinking - you are permanently, negatively attached to SM.
5. 'Brainwashed' - this does not even have validity in psychology.... In fact one needs the strongest will - for the spiritual quest.
6. You do not even accept, that the heart has a spiritual reality....what to say to this?This is the beginning of spirituality! The Divine is within the heart as Light or soul or atomic spark or Presence or Master within....so many symbols for the REALITY within.
I fear that the thinking expressed over time, in your ongoing critique is becoming grosser and lacking in depth or subtelty or even explanation.
But words will never convince anyone....
A change of heart is always needed - for any change - to be understood, within and then acted upon and then shared for the benefit of all.
'Willingness is all I need' - Babuji Maharaj.
and another quote I like very much...' See that nothing affects the flexibilty of your mind'
Please walk facing the sun....
Yours affectionately, T.
Dear Mr. T,
ReplyDeleteYou know my full name, pls don't be shy in using it, i am not scared of speaking the truth, in speaking what i believe to be true and don't need to hide behind any 'S' or 'T' for that matter, as you have done.
You have said:-
Have had a look at yout websites and others - anti Sahaj Marg, in nature.
Allow me a comment please....or is it a standard zombie....? Hee hee.
You are wrong, there is nothing "anti" in our view, it is the truth, you, from your controlled eyes view it as anti or supportive, for us, its the truth, you are welcome to enlighten us, incase you do not agree to our view, if you can, the site will be removed, i hope you have had looked at the challenge.
The way you feel our views are "anti sahaj marg", we understand (not feel), that teachings of sahaj marg are anti social, they brainwash people, manipulate them and convert them into mindless obedient zombies, who are a threat to our society, hence we want to clean this shit (sahaj marg) from our society.
However, you are precisely "on the spot" about "standard zombie" statement of yours.
About 6 points, I think.
1. Yours and others critique's have a certain sociological view into the nature of groups that transmit spirituality.
there is nothing sociological in our view, its simply logical and balanced, we have never opposed transmitting spirituality, what we are saying is simple, "criminals, thief's, rapists, murders, don't transmit spirituality", that all, they transmit only that what they are... i am not sure if you have had a look the criminal charge-sheet and other cases against the person who you imagine is transmitting you!!
and then you contrast this with 'free thinking' and democracy.
are you trying to say, spirituality is opposite of "free thinking and democracy" ? just in case you are unaware, groups which don't allow freedom to think, are listed as brainwashing cults, as shri ram chandra mission has been listed.
But it is necessarily, an outsider's view - as you do not practice the meditation - you criticise.
So meditation is ONLY that what you do? you are a brainwashed drone, you cannot think on your own, hence it is impossible for someone like you to get close to what is known as meditation. to know that, first you need to start using your brain, which according to sahaj marg is "enemy of spirituality". this is where the contradiction is.
You have your very own personal definition of spirituality and want everyone to accept that, and this is the only reason as why you are against "Free thinking and democracy".
As you do not participate in this continual meditative experience- your focus on the person and the heart of meditation - elude you all, as it must.
What you feel as "continual meditative experience" we understand it as a "systematic brainwashing program".
till you remain brainwashed with this logic that those who understand 80+2=82 are loosing spirituality in their life, you will continue to remain trapped in this cult, and will never be able to experience the beauty of life, and will remain a zombie, simply obeying. There is nothing which eludes us, coz we are free, the one who is trapped in a cult is you, you are the one who is loosing life not us.
The distance just keeps on growing between the serious meditator and his critics. The criticism, necessarily becomes superficial.....
Same logic as 80+2=83. you have been fed that these blogs and sites are criticizing sahaj marg and you are unable to come at terms that it is the truth, the fact, and you cannot face it. (there is a warning in the first page read it.)
2. Your continual criticism can only make one unhappy and even distort, the knowledge that one seeks.
In case you are not able to figure it out, If any one is seeking knowledge, sahaj marg is not the right place for it. this is the zits of our sites and blogs.
The heart absorbs all this negativity and the fine feeling is then lacking - to then discern dynamic reality. Lost in words......
ReplyDeleteOoh yaa, according to sahaj marg logic (80+2=83) mind does not play any role in gaining spirituality, and is an enemy of spirituality. Is it not possible that heart absorbs the truth and saves its life from getting trapped in a cult? think over it.. (if you cannot think, try to feel, may be you can start to think as well, who knows)
3. Love alone rveals the true nature of everything - because the Beloved, is in ALL His Reality - however big or small. Even what one fears - is revealed only by love. This will always be so and can never be otherwise.
who is HE here? who's reality are you talking about? are you sure about the gender of entity you are referring to as "HIS" ? if you have simply imagined that reality is "HIS" then you need to wake up and see the truth as it is, it is knowledge which reveals the truth, never foolishness, love binds a person, knowledge is the only tool which can lead you to truth and freedom, and to gain knowledge, you need to use your brain (mind) which according to sahaj marg logic (80+2=83) is enemy of spirituality.
This does not mean love cannot help, love can help if it is directed in the right place, if you love a criminal, murders rapist, thief, you cannot claim that you are getting knowledgeable, you are becoming more anti-social and causing trouble to people.
Therefore you are in a big contradiction.
4. You say that you want to free people from SM, but due to your efforts and thinking - you are permanently, negatively attached to SM.
Since your gang leader is quite fond of making up stories from hindu mythologies, i will cite a true example here:-
Do you feel (you can't think) Lord Ram was permanently, negatively attached to Ravan, when he decided to eradicate that demon and free people of him? OR do you feel (you can't think) that lord krishna was permanently, negatively attached to kansa when he decided to eradicate him? OR do you feel (you can't think) that allied forced were permanently, negatively attached to Hitler, when they decided to eradicate him?
If so.. we cannot help you, and you are at the wrong place, otherwise, start thinking, if you regain your power to think rationally, you can become free of this brainwashing and manipulation known as Sahaj marg.
5. 'Brainwashed' - this does not even have validity in psychology.... In fact one needs the strongest will - for the spiritual quest.
In cults they don't allow one to read anything other then cult literature, just in case you want to break free start from here http://health.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing.htm you will come to know how brainwashing is possible and is has a validity in psychology, unlike what you have been trained to feel (remember you can't think)
6. You do not even accept, that the heart has a spiritual reality....what to say to this?This is the beginning of spirituality! The Divine is within the heart as Light or soul or atomic spark or Presence or Master within....so many symbols for the REALITY within.
Not only heart, we understand that our complete existence, is a spirituality reality, unlike your controller who has made you of the opinion that you don't need a brain.
People who come to the spiritual life must understand that here the brain has no function at all. My Master said, "Cut off your head and throw it away." That is all the use it has.
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090101_Chennai.jsp
this is absolute nonsense, absolute idiotic, and absolute anti-social. this is what i have to say to this.
I fear that the thinking expressed over time, in your ongoing critique is becoming grosser and lacking in depth or subtelty or even explanation.
ReplyDeleteTill you feel (you can't think) 80+2=83, you cannot understand depth of our statements, nor you can feel (you can't think) it to be subtle and explanations won't exist, BUT the moment you realize that 80+2=82, everything what we say, will start making sense to you, you will find depth, subtelity, and explanations as well, but first condition is, you must understand that 80+2<>83.
But words will never convince anyone....
Facts do.. truth does convince humans (you are a zombie)
A change of heart is always needed - for any change - to be understood, within and then acted upon and then shared for the benefit of all.
I am not sure of your statement above, i never wanted to become a thief, hence never tried to change my heart in that direction. I preserved my heart for benefit of my society and not to contaminate it. On the contrary, i changed my heart to make sure, fraud, manipulation, cunning-ness is exposed to the society at large.
'Willingness is all I need' - Babuji Maharaj.
To become a thief? maybe, but to become honest and stick to truth does need some effort more then willingness, it requires COURAGE, which you lack.
and another quote I like very much...' See that nothing affects the flexibilty of your mind'
Zombies don't have an active mind, a flexible mind will help them get rid of this cult control. if they are in this cult, its quite obvious they don't have a functioning mind at all
Please walk facing the sun....
Try, it is possible, face the truth, its more brighter then sun, shed this manipulation of sahaj marg, get out of darkness of sahaj marg and become FREE. you can face the sun of truth. Be brave.
Yours affectionately, T.
Shashwat here...
PS:- just incase you are not able to figure out sahaj marg logic of 80+2=83, have a look at the bottom of my recent post:- http://srcmcultofindia.blogspot.com/2009/07/sequence-of-events-srcm-1983-1984.html