In one of the post on website of Chari's SRCM Chari has said and i quote
So what do we go there for? Are we serious about what we are looking for? Or are we just going to re-evaluate this phenomenon that we call the guru, judge the sitting, but by what? "It was cold and you know there was a kankad [stone] under my… we sat mostly on stones, and…", you know. And judging the physical environment: the lack of comfort, the simplicity of the food, people even criticising it. "Yeh kutta bhi nahi khaayega [Even a dog would not eat this]," I have heard people say.
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090417_Tiruppur.jsp
Chari also comes up with all the made up stories from hindu mythology which he does not hesitate to rubbish when it suites him.
It is very important to realize the importance of critical thinking, A person who cannot walk himself is trying to teach how to win a race!! Chari is not a guru but a wolf hiding behind a fake mask, various court cases and allegation of fraudulent activities are proof.
I would not like to comment myself about importance of critical thinking but instead i would like to present a proof about the same.
If you listen to what is said at 3:01 in the video above you will understand the importance of critical thinking, if you do not have capacity to think critically which Chari and his gang members try to erase, "YOU CAN BE BRAINWASHED" and remember sahaj marg exists today only because it is able to brainwash people. Start thinking critically it is very important for survival from beasts faking as spiritual person.
Apart from that, we already know that chari has labeled all bloggers are enemy of spirituality, and chari is convinced that entire civilization is enemy of spirituality
You know how much we suffer from our sophistication, our civilization. It has led me to believe that civilization is an enemy of spirituality.
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090417_Tiruppur.jsp
Remember when you see everything wrong in the world, it is YOU who is wrong and not the world, neither the bloggers nor the civilization is enemy of spirituality but it is people like P. Rajagopalachari and cults like sahaj marg who are enemy of spirituality.
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Thursday, May 21, 2009
Thursday, April 16, 2009
Sahaj Marg
Concept of sahaj marg is fundamentally wrong. It is not a spiritual or religious system, but outcome of hallucination. Ignoring the acts of criminal minded P. rajagopalachari and his bete noire Navneet, Kasturi and K.C Naryana, if we try and analyze concept of sahaj marg itself we can come to a conclusion that it is just a business like any other business group, aim is to make money, please keep in mind we do not have unselfish people nowadays.
Before we move into analysis of sahaj marg, we must observe the outcome of sahaj marg which is present currently, I am not going to attempt to demonstrate any psychic phenomena from a scientific basis, because it will require a great deal of preparation for both the presenter as well as audience, therefore i will not demonstrate sahaj marg directly but we will demonstrate the outcome of teachings of sahaj marg which in turn will explain sahaj marg in detail.
If we have to give an psychic explanation of sahaj marg, it will require the subjective and the objective side. In case of sahaj marg we have subjective side (transmission) but the objective side is missing... (where does it lead to???)
To make this point more clear, as why sahaj marg is rotten, Take example of chemistry and physics, with which we are so familiar, and of which we have read so much, is it true that everyone in this world is able to understand the demonstration even of the commonest subjects? Take any boor and show him one of your experiments. What will he understand of it? Nothing. It requires a good deal of previous training to be brought up to the point of understanding an experiment. Before that he cannot understand it at all. That is a area difficulty in the way. If scientific demonstration mean bringing down certain facts to a plane which is universe for all human beings, where all beings can understand it I doubt that there can be any such scientific demonstration for any subject in the world. So, on the face of it, it is absurd if this be the meaning of scientific demonstration, the bringing down of intricate facts to the plane on which we are now.
The next approach should be the correct one, perhaps, that certain facts should be adduced as proving certain more intricate facts. There are certain more complicated intricate phenomena, which we explain by less intricate ones, and thus get, perhaps, nearer to them; in this way they are gradually brought down to the plane of our present ordinary consciousness.
Therefore choosing the second option, lets try and bring down sahaj marg to our plan and understand it, first step is to observe the immediate outcome of sahaj marg which is present in our own time, currently, right now, we will not go into past, nor we intend to predict the future, we will observe the ground reality which is present currently.
After Ram Chandra expired in 1983, battle for ownership started, this in itself demonstrates that Ram Chandra was not an enlighten person nor was he a person who could enable people become more subtle and loving, because if this was the case, people who were very close to him would not have become lusty and power hungry.
There are at-least 5 branches of sahaj marg started by Ram Chandra (aka babuji). We will not consider off-shoots of lalaji because it has been established before that lalaji has nothing to do with sahaj marg. ( see here .)
Five people representing sahaj marg currently are:-
1. Navneet Saxena (http://www.babujimemorial.org)
2. K. C Narayana (http://www.sriramchandra.org/)
3. Kasturi Chaturvedi (http://kasturibhenji.blogspot.com/) as in case of other cult’s she is also scared of criticism hence their blog is blocked
4. Raghvendra Rao (http://makamsureshkumar.blogspot.com/)
5. P Rajagopalachari (http://www.srcm.org)
Therefore first outcome of sahaj marg which is evident by the fact presented above, and which we can easily understand using common sense is "division". Sahaj Marg is divisive, we can safely conclude from this, that anyone who is going to get involve in sahaj marg will eventually become like the people above, who cannot stay together with their group or society, and will branch out claiming themselves to be the rightful owner of sahaj marg.
The second outcome of sahaj marg which is visible is "greed" which always results in "violence", "manipulation" and "cunning approach", example is capture of various properties and hostile takeovers of one group over other, this is also a sahaj marg outcome (see here). There is no denying fact that P. Rajagopalachari was associated with Babuji, and from the letters written by Babuji himself it is evident that Chari was close to him as well, now looking at the behavior and acts of P. Rajagopalachari, we can safely conclude what type of teachings he has gone through and what has made him the kind of person he is today, its SAHAJ MARG, P. Rajagopalachari not only claims himself to represent sahaj marg, but also claims that babuji appointed him as his successor, and all he is doing is propagating the teachings of babuji. Therefore "greed", "violence", "manipulation" and "cunningness" forms the character of sahaj marg, and are integral part of this concept.
Third outcome of sahaj marg is "divorces", this in turn destabilizes the society and makes sahaj marg an anti-social and harmful cult (see here). Sahaj Marg as a concept is directly responsible for all the divorces happened inside this cult, because it teaches that "Master" is most important person in life of its victim, no method is defined in sahaj marg for roll-back process, sahaj marg explains only how one can join it, (three sitting with a lusty preceptor) there is no process defined on how to un-join sahaj marg, this one way approach is what is responsible for divorces.
Fourth outcome of sahaj marg is suicidal tendencies, (see here) and statement from one of the representative of Babuji
And I pray to you, beloved Master, to grant us this privilege of rejoining you in the brighter world as soon as possible
Note:-Only dead people live in "brighter world"
We do not intend to discuss all the googblygoody talks about sahaj marg, that it has to be felt, and there is some kind of transmission happening in there, and if you imagine smoke going out from you back you are actually elevating spiritually, because there is no evidence nor any logical proof nor there is any attempt from srcm to explain these claims by explaining certain lower aspects which can be explained and understood, which in turn would testify for something higher if there is anything of that sort, for example imagining smoke going out from your back side, how anyone can become spiritual? there is no answer to this, neither there is any attempt from those propagating it to explain it, therefore we have the liberty to accept that, which is visible and is evident. Now what we have understood, clearly demonstrates and points out, that sahaj marg is not a spiritual practice but a mind controlling, brainwashing cult (the concept itself), which is divisive, harmful, induces suicidal tendencies, instigates divorces, induces hallucination and reduces capacity of rational thinking, negates positive human growth, and suppress natural spiritual quest. (no particular group but the concept itself).
This confirms that sahaj marg is not spiritual or religious group but is a harmful cult similar to jim jhones Peoples temple or AA kind of a thing.
These are the basic characteristic of sahaj marg, and any group which claims to teach sahaj marg is basically propagating qualities explained, these are part of sahaj marg, and any group claiming to teach anything other then this, is not teaching sahaj marg but something else.
Have a look at all these glaring realities about sahaj marg and instead of trying to squeeze oil from stone, become normal and get rid of sahaj marg and help others also to get rid of this disease.
.
Before we move into analysis of sahaj marg, we must observe the outcome of sahaj marg which is present currently, I am not going to attempt to demonstrate any psychic phenomena from a scientific basis, because it will require a great deal of preparation for both the presenter as well as audience, therefore i will not demonstrate sahaj marg directly but we will demonstrate the outcome of teachings of sahaj marg which in turn will explain sahaj marg in detail.
If we have to give an psychic explanation of sahaj marg, it will require the subjective and the objective side. In case of sahaj marg we have subjective side (transmission) but the objective side is missing... (where does it lead to???)
To make this point more clear, as why sahaj marg is rotten, Take example of chemistry and physics, with which we are so familiar, and of which we have read so much, is it true that everyone in this world is able to understand the demonstration even of the commonest subjects? Take any boor and show him one of your experiments. What will he understand of it? Nothing. It requires a good deal of previous training to be brought up to the point of understanding an experiment. Before that he cannot understand it at all. That is a area difficulty in the way. If scientific demonstration mean bringing down certain facts to a plane which is universe for all human beings, where all beings can understand it I doubt that there can be any such scientific demonstration for any subject in the world. So, on the face of it, it is absurd if this be the meaning of scientific demonstration, the bringing down of intricate facts to the plane on which we are now.
The next approach should be the correct one, perhaps, that certain facts should be adduced as proving certain more intricate facts. There are certain more complicated intricate phenomena, which we explain by less intricate ones, and thus get, perhaps, nearer to them; in this way they are gradually brought down to the plane of our present ordinary consciousness.
Therefore choosing the second option, lets try and bring down sahaj marg to our plan and understand it, first step is to observe the immediate outcome of sahaj marg which is present in our own time, currently, right now, we will not go into past, nor we intend to predict the future, we will observe the ground reality which is present currently.
After Ram Chandra expired in 1983, battle for ownership started, this in itself demonstrates that Ram Chandra was not an enlighten person nor was he a person who could enable people become more subtle and loving, because if this was the case, people who were very close to him would not have become lusty and power hungry.
There are at-least 5 branches of sahaj marg started by Ram Chandra (aka babuji). We will not consider off-shoots of lalaji because it has been established before that lalaji has nothing to do with sahaj marg. ( see here .)
Five people representing sahaj marg currently are:-
1. Navneet Saxena (http://www.babujimemorial.org)
2. K. C Narayana (http://www.sriramchandra.org/)
3. Kasturi Chaturvedi (http://kasturibhenji.blogspot.com/) as in case of other cult’s she is also scared of criticism hence their blog is blocked
4. Raghvendra Rao (http://makamsureshkumar.blogspot.com/)
5. P Rajagopalachari (http://www.srcm.org)
Therefore first outcome of sahaj marg which is evident by the fact presented above, and which we can easily understand using common sense is "division". Sahaj Marg is divisive, we can safely conclude from this, that anyone who is going to get involve in sahaj marg will eventually become like the people above, who cannot stay together with their group or society, and will branch out claiming themselves to be the rightful owner of sahaj marg.
The second outcome of sahaj marg which is visible is "greed" which always results in "violence", "manipulation" and "cunning approach", example is capture of various properties and hostile takeovers of one group over other, this is also a sahaj marg outcome (see here). There is no denying fact that P. Rajagopalachari was associated with Babuji, and from the letters written by Babuji himself it is evident that Chari was close to him as well, now looking at the behavior and acts of P. Rajagopalachari, we can safely conclude what type of teachings he has gone through and what has made him the kind of person he is today, its SAHAJ MARG, P. Rajagopalachari not only claims himself to represent sahaj marg, but also claims that babuji appointed him as his successor, and all he is doing is propagating the teachings of babuji. Therefore "greed", "violence", "manipulation" and "cunningness" forms the character of sahaj marg, and are integral part of this concept.
Third outcome of sahaj marg is "divorces", this in turn destabilizes the society and makes sahaj marg an anti-social and harmful cult (see here). Sahaj Marg as a concept is directly responsible for all the divorces happened inside this cult, because it teaches that "Master" is most important person in life of its victim, no method is defined in sahaj marg for roll-back process, sahaj marg explains only how one can join it, (three sitting with a lusty preceptor) there is no process defined on how to un-join sahaj marg, this one way approach is what is responsible for divorces.
Fourth outcome of sahaj marg is suicidal tendencies, (see here) and statement from one of the representative of Babuji
And I pray to you, beloved Master, to grant us this privilege of rejoining you in the brighter world as soon as possible
Note:-Only dead people live in "brighter world"
We do not intend to discuss all the googblygoody talks about sahaj marg, that it has to be felt, and there is some kind of transmission happening in there, and if you imagine smoke going out from you back you are actually elevating spiritually, because there is no evidence nor any logical proof nor there is any attempt from srcm to explain these claims by explaining certain lower aspects which can be explained and understood, which in turn would testify for something higher if there is anything of that sort, for example imagining smoke going out from your back side, how anyone can become spiritual? there is no answer to this, neither there is any attempt from those propagating it to explain it, therefore we have the liberty to accept that, which is visible and is evident. Now what we have understood, clearly demonstrates and points out, that sahaj marg is not a spiritual practice but a mind controlling, brainwashing cult (the concept itself), which is divisive, harmful, induces suicidal tendencies, instigates divorces, induces hallucination and reduces capacity of rational thinking, negates positive human growth, and suppress natural spiritual quest. (no particular group but the concept itself).
This confirms that sahaj marg is not spiritual or religious group but is a harmful cult similar to jim jhones Peoples temple or AA kind of a thing.
These are the basic characteristic of sahaj marg, and any group which claims to teach sahaj marg is basically propagating qualities explained, these are part of sahaj marg, and any group claiming to teach anything other then this, is not teaching sahaj marg but something else.
Have a look at all these glaring realities about sahaj marg and instead of trying to squeeze oil from stone, become normal and get rid of sahaj marg and help others also to get rid of this disease.
.
Thursday, January 22, 2009
How P. Rajagopalachari manipulates people
P. Rajagopalachari has been fooling people for quite sometime now, he asks his victim for complete surrender to himself, this he asks by manipulation and distorting stories from Indian Mythology, he has used story of Parashuram many time to make his victims obedient to himself to the point that they should kill anyone he asks them to kill, and should not even think about what he has ordered.
Here is what P. Rajagopalachari says:-
One thing that our people must understand is, in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it. The famous example in our mythology is Parashuram. When he said he was devoted and loved his father, his father said, "Will you do what I tell you?" He said yes. He said, "Cut off your mother's head." Chichick. And the head came off. Mother's head! - obedience. Of course, then the father said, "I am pleased with you. Ask for a boon." He said, "I want my mother alive again." And the mother came alive again.
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090104_Chennai.jsp
Chari wants his victims to become absolute idiots, because as i have stated my times an intelligent person is bound to ask "WHY?" Chari says that in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it.
Kindly note he is saying "The Guru orders, you do it" and then he presents a story from Indian Mythology about Parashurama. People who do not think will accept this story without questioning, as Chari has already stated that one must not think, simply OBEY.
Actual story of Parashuram is somewhat different, Parashurama did not killed his mother by obeying his Guru, but did so because his FATHER (not guru) asked him to do so...
If we follow the story presented by P. Rajagopalachari, the question aries:- when Parashuram obeyed his father, why should abhyasis obey their Guru and not their father? I am sure, a father is more loving then Guru can be in todays time.
More-so Parashurama was not present in 21st century, nor in 20th century nor in 19th or 18th century. Parashurama was present before Shree Ram of ayodhya took birth.
And there is no sure time line available in todays historical records about exact date of birth of Lord Ram. It is estimated that Lord Ram took birth on 10 January 5114 B.C i.e thousands of year back.
By distorting stories from Indian Mythology Chari is giving bad name to hindu religion as well.
Can P. Rajagopalachari establish himself as a person who can bring back a dead? if he can do that then if he asks someone to kill anyone else, it makes sense, but if Chari does not have power to bring back a dead to life, how in the world can he present such a story???
We must also know the actual story, as why Parashurams father asked him to kill his own mother?
Parashurams father was Jamadagni and his mothers name was Renuka
The story is:-
Renuka, the devoted wife of Jamadagni, had to get the Ganga water, for her husband's fire worship, and accordingly, proceeded to the river with a pot. The Ganga was flowing majestically. At that time a 'Gandharva' (celestial being) named Chitraratha was enjoying a festive bath and was engaged in frolic with his wives. Renuka was watching these activities for some time.
She had been somewhat mesmerized and after a while awakened herself realizing
her duty to carry the pot of water to her husband. She rushed back to the hermitage.
Jamadagni was a sage possessing supreme vision. He visualized
the reason for his wife's delayed arrival. He was angered at her and took umbrage
at her becoming 'impure' by witnessing Chitraratha with unbecoming interest. He called out his sons and ordered them to kill her. The children were shocked; they could not believe their own ears. How can they kill their own mother? They stood transfixed.
Jamadagni was now furious, seeing that his sons were not obeying him. Parashurama
returned after a while, and Jamadagni asked his son to kill his mother and also
the disobedient brothers.
Parashurama did not hesitate even for a moment. Readily he raised his axe, chopped off his mother's head and later killed his brothers. As he bowed before his father in reverence, the latter's anger subsided. However, five persons had been killed.
Jamadagni said: My son, your devotion to your father has pleased me. Tell me what is your desire and I shall fulfill it. Parashurama replied, O father, nothing satisfies me more than fulfilling your desire. If you want to grant me boons, please forgive my mother and brothers for their disobedience and kindly bring them back to life.As you wish, said Jamadagni. The dead rose to life and prostrated before the sage.
The ashram's rituals were resumed unhindered. Thus Parashurama saved his mother
and brothers.
http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/avataar_parashurama3.html
Parashurama was not obedient to his Guru but to his father, he knew that his mother had done wrong and his brothers also did wrong, he did not killed his mother and brother without thinking, he knew that they did a mistake and asked his father to forgive them.
His father forgave them, Chari will make a new story out of this and claim that all father's who's children are abhyasis should be obedient to their children and state the same story.... Because he has already demanded that one must not think only OBEY!!
I hope people will verify what Chari says because he has established himself as a big manipulator. Because of manipulation of Sahaj marg numerous families have been destroyed till now, and if sahaj marg is not eradicated, many more families will be destroyed.
We need to save our family from Cults and the only way to be safe is to think, question and do not rest till you have found the answer.
Dear victims of sahaj marg, start thinking, your leader is a dangerous person, be-aware of his tactics and do not fall in traps of sahaj marg.
Here is what P. Rajagopalachari says:-
One thing that our people must understand is, in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it. The famous example in our mythology is Parashuram. When he said he was devoted and loved his father, his father said, "Will you do what I tell you?" He said yes. He said, "Cut off your mother's head." Chichick. And the head came off. Mother's head! - obedience. Of course, then the father said, "I am pleased with you. Ask for a boon." He said, "I want my mother alive again." And the mother came alive again.
http://www.srcm.org/literature/recent.speeches/090104_Chennai.jsp
Chari wants his victims to become absolute idiots, because as i have stated my times an intelligent person is bound to ask "WHY?" Chari says that in obedience there is no place for thought. You are not to think whether this is to be obeyed or not. The Guru orders, you do it.
Kindly note he is saying "The Guru orders, you do it" and then he presents a story from Indian Mythology about Parashurama. People who do not think will accept this story without questioning, as Chari has already stated that one must not think, simply OBEY.
Actual story of Parashuram is somewhat different, Parashurama did not killed his mother by obeying his Guru, but did so because his FATHER (not guru) asked him to do so...
If we follow the story presented by P. Rajagopalachari, the question aries:- when Parashuram obeyed his father, why should abhyasis obey their Guru and not their father? I am sure, a father is more loving then Guru can be in todays time.
More-so Parashurama was not present in 21st century, nor in 20th century nor in 19th or 18th century. Parashurama was present before Shree Ram of ayodhya took birth.
And there is no sure time line available in todays historical records about exact date of birth of Lord Ram. It is estimated that Lord Ram took birth on 10 January 5114 B.C i.e thousands of year back.
By distorting stories from Indian Mythology Chari is giving bad name to hindu religion as well.
Can P. Rajagopalachari establish himself as a person who can bring back a dead? if he can do that then if he asks someone to kill anyone else, it makes sense, but if Chari does not have power to bring back a dead to life, how in the world can he present such a story???
We must also know the actual story, as why Parashurams father asked him to kill his own mother?
Parashurams father was Jamadagni and his mothers name was Renuka
The story is:-
Renuka, the devoted wife of Jamadagni, had to get the Ganga water, for her husband's fire worship, and accordingly, proceeded to the river with a pot. The Ganga was flowing majestically. At that time a 'Gandharva' (celestial being) named Chitraratha was enjoying a festive bath and was engaged in frolic with his wives. Renuka was watching these activities for some time.
She had been somewhat mesmerized and after a while awakened herself realizing
her duty to carry the pot of water to her husband. She rushed back to the hermitage.
Jamadagni was a sage possessing supreme vision. He visualized
the reason for his wife's delayed arrival. He was angered at her and took umbrage
at her becoming 'impure' by witnessing Chitraratha with unbecoming interest. He called out his sons and ordered them to kill her. The children were shocked; they could not believe their own ears. How can they kill their own mother? They stood transfixed.
Jamadagni was now furious, seeing that his sons were not obeying him. Parashurama
returned after a while, and Jamadagni asked his son to kill his mother and also
the disobedient brothers.
Parashurama did not hesitate even for a moment. Readily he raised his axe, chopped off his mother's head and later killed his brothers. As he bowed before his father in reverence, the latter's anger subsided. However, five persons had been killed.
Jamadagni said: My son, your devotion to your father has pleased me. Tell me what is your desire and I shall fulfill it. Parashurama replied, O father, nothing satisfies me more than fulfilling your desire. If you want to grant me boons, please forgive my mother and brothers for their disobedience and kindly bring them back to life.As you wish, said Jamadagni. The dead rose to life and prostrated before the sage.
The ashram's rituals were resumed unhindered. Thus Parashurama saved his mother
and brothers.
http://www.webonautics.com/mythology/avataar_parashurama3.html
Parashurama was not obedient to his Guru but to his father, he knew that his mother had done wrong and his brothers also did wrong, he did not killed his mother and brother without thinking, he knew that they did a mistake and asked his father to forgive them.
His father forgave them, Chari will make a new story out of this and claim that all father's who's children are abhyasis should be obedient to their children and state the same story.... Because he has already demanded that one must not think only OBEY!!
I hope people will verify what Chari says because he has established himself as a big manipulator. Because of manipulation of Sahaj marg numerous families have been destroyed till now, and if sahaj marg is not eradicated, many more families will be destroyed.
We need to save our family from Cults and the only way to be safe is to think, question and do not rest till you have found the answer.
Dear victims of sahaj marg, start thinking, your leader is a dangerous person, be-aware of his tactics and do not fall in traps of sahaj marg.
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